I'm one of those ordinary users on mailing lists for other projects,
and to me it's not a point of irritation seeing the developers at
work.  Rather, I enjoy it.  Of course, I must allow that our users may
not all feel the way I do.

Justin

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Steve Huston <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree that the qpid and proton users should be on the same list. Also, it's 
> useful for much of the development info to be open to the users list. My only 
> concern for a second list is for things that committers may need to talk 
> about but which the larger user community doesn't care about. For example, 
> "who broke the build" or questions/issues about the release process, etc.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gordon Sim [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 12:21 PM
>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
>> Subject: mailing lists and fragmented communication
>>
>> I believe that we have too many mailing lists and that we are missing out on
>> valuable collaboration and transparency as a result.
>>
>> Too often in the past topics have been discussed on the dev list without
>> reflecting any of the discussion back to the user list, keeping a large part 
>> of
>> the community in the dark. Now that we have a distinct list for proton there
>> is the possibility of yet more fragmentation.
>>
>> I honestly believe that we would be better off with just one list for
>> discussions. I think there will increasingly be issues that cross-cut 
>> different
>> components or that would benefit from wider participation. Not all topics 
>> will
>> be of interest to all subscribers, but that is always going to be the case.
>>
>> It doesn't seem to me like any of the lists are so high in volume that this
>> would cause significant problems. More rigorous use of subject could help
>> people filter if needed. (JIRA and commit notices I think do warrant their 
>> own
>> lists allowing a lot of the 'noise' to be avoided if so desired).
>>
>> Any other thoughts on this? Does anyone have fears of being deluged with
>> unwanted emails?
>>
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