On 27/06/13 18:11, Andrew Stitcher wrote:
I may have been exaggerating for effect - I'll turn my trolling setting
down ;-) I'm not trying to offend anyone just to be a little light
hearted (I did say "somewhat" which I realise now can mean subtly
different things to different people).
No worries at all Andrew - TBH it's my bad, funny you mention "turn down the trolling" - the reason I replied as I did is because I have an unfortunate tendency towards "smart arsed" comments :-) and regularly have "sarcasm set to kill" and (you've probably seen this ) a general tendency to "go off on one" about things that I care about. I'm really trying hard to *not* do this in the Qpid community so I'm a bit uber-sensitive that I might have done so every now and then and I like to check "just in case".

I'm glad we're cool, sounds like we might have similar tendencies, you're dead right on how perfectly innocent words can be interpreted an diametrically opposite ways - I'm always getting into trouble with my dodgy sense of humour :-[
I was think grumbling more as a kind of low rumbling noise ;-), but I
completely accept that we've not been too good at bringing these kinds
of discussion to a conclusion in the past, which is why I have called
for an actual vote.
Ha ha. I guess my take it that we should take a pretty user-centric stance in general. I totally side with Gordon in the view that the vast majority of discussions should be on the user list with only truly internal facing things solely on the dev list. I guess too that I'm somewhat steeped in the world of pain that is "corporate IT" and the "subtle arts of persuasion" that are often required to move things "that ain't broke" kicking and screaming to something supportable (I still bear the scars :-D ).
Thank you - I agree this would make a reasonable model for doing this
kind of thing in the future.
Great! I definitely think having a consistent decommissioning strategy helps us and users alike - we all know where we stand if we do that. To date it seems to have been a bit random and "wishy washy" so when we've said "qpid::client is deprecated best move to qpid::messaging" or similar the reaction often seems to be along the lines of "yeah whatever" I wouldn't want an "aggressive" approach to this sort of thing, but I think the process that has evolved around the move to cmake might be considered "robust" and "controlled" and I really like it.

Cheers,
Frase

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