+1 to everything Roman said. 

And I’ll add that we are here to help and to advise, not just to govern. Apache 
infrastructure is complex, we acknowledge that. There are some things that only 
we have permission to do, and we’ll do those things. But the committers should 
do as much of the work as possible. Learning how to navigate Apache 
infrastructure is painful, but it is part of the process of incubation.

Julian


> On May 26, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Jignesh Patel <jipa...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>> Ah … catching on. So, not meritocracy based on that front?
> 
> This is a good question. Here's an analogy. Project mentors are to a podling
> what ASF board of directors' officers are to a TLP. They are
> individuals selected
> upfront. Based, hopefully, on foundation-wide merit, but not necessarily a 
> merit
> within each individual project (or a podling). The right that you have is to 
> say
> I don't want that dude as a mentor (or I don't want to vote for that
> guy to be on
> the board) but once they are elected you are kind of stuck with them.
> 
> So at the end of the day -- there's a meritocratic principle upfront.
> 
> Hope this helps to understand ASF better.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roman.

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