Tested it too and got an interesting result. On a 32bit linux its:
+nan.0
+nan.0
+nan.0
+nan.0
+nan.0
+nan.0
+nan.0
+nan.0
so, completely wrong. But on a 64bit Linux its correct if i use the 64bit
racket version. When i try the 32bit build i get the wrong results again.
I think you can blame it on 32 implementation of racket/libc/compiler or
whatever. Not on the actual cpu in use because the hardware was always the
same (2 identical computers, identical OS + version, only 32bit in one, 64
in the other).
Tobias
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 19:07:53 +0100, Neil Toronto <neil.toro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Back on list.
A lot of things point to general sloppiness in either the FPU or C
libraries, but I'd like more information just in case. Can you reply
with the values of the following expressions on the Athlon?
(flexpt -1001.0 -1.3407807929942596e+154)
(flexpt -1001.0 1.3407807929942596e+154)
(flexpt -0.1 -1.3407807929942596e+154)
(flexpt -0.1 1.3407807929942596e+154)
(flexpt -744.4400719213812 -1.3407807929942596e+154)
(flexpt -744.4400719213812 1.3407807929942596e+154)
(flexpt -1.0 -1.3407807929942596e+154)
(flexpt -1.0 1.3407807929942596e+154)
You should get these values:
0.0 +inf.0 +inf.0 0.0 0.0 +inf.0 1.0 1.0
I think these are cases Racket handles specially instead of handing off
to C's `pow' on platforms where we know `pow' handles them wrongly. We
might need to ask Matthew to expand that set of platforms.
Small rounding errors like this:
((fl*/error -6.87181640380727e-156 2.3341566035927725e-153)
0.7079979032237692)
which are only 1 bit off, are probably the cause of these errors:
((fl2log 1.5124390004859715e-308 0.0) 4294967296.220986)
((fl2log1p 3.799205740343036e+246 1.4492752004468653e+230)
549755813887.9473))
`fl2log' and `fl2log1p' are 103-ish-bit logarithm implementations used
in certain tricky subdomains of a few special functions. They assume
arithmetic is always correct and are very sensitive to rounding errors.
You're getting about 65-bit output precision for certain inputs. We can
almost certainly blame the FPU because IEEE 754 requires arithmetic to
be implemented and correctly rounded.
IEEE 754 only *recommends* typical irrational functions. When they're
not implemented in hardware, C libraries compute them in software. So I
don't know whether these and others are the FPU's or C library's fault:
((flsin 2.5489254492488616e+52) 22637349860729424.0)
((flcos 3.91520018229574e+49) 6369061509154398.0)
((fltan 1.6614020610450763e+21) 9158003261155244.0)
((flexp 16.938769136983012) 7.0)
((flexp 282.52374429474406) 102.0)
((flexp -10.0) 4.0)
((flexp -708.3964185322641) 124.0)
These errors come from not doing argument reductions carefully enough.
The trigonometric functions probably don't compute x % 2*pi using a
high-precision 2*pi when x is large. They seem to be correct enough when
x is small, though.
The exponential function wasn't tested well at the boundaries of its
domain:
((flexp 709.782712893384) +inf.0)
709.782712893384 is (fllog +max.0), and (flexp (fllog +max.0)) should be
near +max.0, not (as I suspect) +inf.0.
I don't know whether Racket should do anything about these errors. I
don't think it would be too hard to do something like Java's StrictMath,
but it would take time.
In the meantime, don't use the Athlon for serious numerical computation.
Neil ⊥
On 02/08/2013 12:13 AM, Laurent wrote:
Hi Neil,
Interaction in a terminal is attached, using Racket 5.3.2.3.
Some details about my machine:
Linux 3.2.0-37-generic-pae #58-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 24 15:51:02 UTC 2013
i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
In particular, I use a 32bits Ubuntu 12.04.2 on a 686 processor, if
that's of any interest.
Cheers,
Laurent
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Neil Toronto <neil.toro...@gmail.com
<mailto:neil.toro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 02/07/2013 12:09 PM, Laurent wrote:
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Neil Toronto
<neil.toro...@gmail.com <mailto:neil.toro...@gmail.com>
<mailto:neil.toro...@gmail.com
<mailto:neil.toro...@gmail.com>__>> wrote:
Today is not that day, but thanks for asking about this
anyway. :)
On one machine with Ubuntu 12.10, I get no error, but on another
machine
with Ubuntu 12.04, I get more than 14000 errors, many of them
being
+inf.0 and other numbers with big exponents (is my machine
really that
bad?).
Is this exactly the kind of reply you want to avoid for now or
are you
interested in a report?
Alrighty, you've piqued my interest. Better send it off-list,
though. :)
Neil ⊥
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