On Feb 19, 2014, at 450PM, Greg Trasuk <tras...@stratuscom.com> wrote:

> 
> There’s more than one possible container standard.  River-Container is as 
> valid as Rio, and is already part of River, having been developed inside the 
> project.
> 
> The standard I proposed is what is currently implemented by River-Container.  
> Rio’s convention is very much different, and relies on reading jar files from 
> a Maven repository rather than from the local file system.  It represents a 
> radical departure from the Service-Starter conventions, although it is 
> compatible with the services.

This is false. Rio provides the capability to declare a service be loaded 
either by artifact resolution or by using declared jars. I have never moved 
away from the latter approach for the simple reason that there are deployments 
that require legacy support.

Using an artifact to annotate a codebase, or to resolve a service's classpath 
provides significant advancement in the build-deploy lifecycle for developers, 
and also provides performance benefits when accessing a service's codebase (as 
well as addressing perm-gen oome for containers).

> 
> You know, when I read Sam Chance’s email last night, and he commented 
> "Further, the idea of
> creating something that is not in the mainstream group thought process will 
> be greeted with lengthy and detailed rationale for why it's not the way to 
> go”, and then "You will very likely not garner support from others on this 
> group“, I found it kind of depressing.  I don’t want to believe that the 
> River community is that fundamentally broken.  But it appears he might be 
> right.
> 

I'm thinking that way too. For now, I am withdrawing my offer of donating Rio 
to River. My intention was that it would greatly benefit River, by dramatically 
improving the out of box experience. I'll be happy if River would just mention 
it as a notable project that may be beneficial to developers getting to know 
River.

I'll also comment on your service archive standard, and if reasonable (and 
given time) I'll provide support for it in Rio.

Regards

Dennis

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