> On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:05 AM, Peter Firmstone <peter.firmst...@zeus.net.au> > wrote: > > I think the PMC has already decided River's fate, and I tend to agree with > their decision, the problem is that historically, it hasn't been possible to > innovate inside the Apache River project, innovation has been forced to > happen elsewhere and it wasn't just what I was doing, there was an attempt to > do some container work in River but that also got shut down. People had > trouble in the past agreeing on Rivers direction and there are no currently > active developers. It is still possible to get a group of people together > to create an Apache project, but I don't think the code needs it. github > and other sites like it are better for loose collaboration, where developers > can feed off each others ideas and innovations and the best solutions survive.
The PMC has decided to move Apache River to the Attic, and the Board is likely to approve that tomorrow. This is often what triggers people "in waiting" to do something on their own rather than wait on a perceived consensus. That is a very good thing. It's hard to encourage contributions outside the box of an existing design, since there is no clear path to a release. Removing the project will remove that perceived barrier to development. (Though anyone could have started up a sandbox within the original project and done the same. It's just a matter of will.) In any case, good luck with your efforts. I strongly encourage you to select a good project name that reflects your individual goals, rather than continue to use River or Jini (which I think is still trademarked by Oracle, but maybe they have abandoned it now). Likewise, if you start moving towards a larger collaboration and need a safe place to do that, the ASF will still be here and able to help provide legal oversight for your project without managing it for you. That is particularly recommended for anything that crosses Java with code execution in a remote environment. Cheers, and thanks for all the +1s ....Roy
