-1 for moving into Maven without keeping the current Ant build process. On Feb 12, 2008 12:41 PM, Angel Vera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wanted to add my vote. > > When I started working with Roller, it was very easy for me to look into > the code and understand the build process, ant is very widely used among > java projects and I would think that most of people who are involved with > java actually understand ant easily, is that case for maven? it wasn't that > hard for me to learn ant, in fact I never read a book about ant to learn > about it, my only hope is that maven is much the same. > > I you can tell I have absolutely no experience with maven, but ask > yourself why that is? is it because maven isn't that popular yet, so why > isn't maven popular?. > > -1 for moving into Maven > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Allen Gilliland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:21:38 PM > Subject: Re: Maven2 build > > I > would > have > to > agree > with > Dave > here, > Maven > vs. > Ant > has > nothing > to > do > with > wanting > to > get > people > to > be > involved > with > the > project. > I've > worked > on > Roller > quite > a > bit > and > never > felt > that > there > was > anything > particularly > difficult > about > the > build > process > using > purely > ant, > especially > not > something > that > would > magically > bring > in > new > developers > if > we > had > Maven. > > Personally, > I > have > never > been > a > Maven > fan > and > have > never > seen > it > make > any > significant > improvement > in > a > build > environment > that > I > have > worked > with. > I > would > echo > Phillip's > opinion > that > Maven > is > "over-engineered" > and > has > never > really > proved > itself > to > me. > > -- > Allen > > > Dave > wrote: > > > On > Feb > 12, > 2008 > 11:41 > AM, > David > Jencks > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> > I > think > I'm > noticing > something > here. > There > are > several > people > who > >> > are > not > (yet) > major > contributors > to > roller > asking > for > a > maven > build > >> > since > they > find > the > current > ant > build > a > major > impediment > to > >> > understanding > the > project > and > working > on > it, > and > there > are > several > >> > people > who > are > thoroughly > familiar > with > the > current > ant > build > who > are > >> > saying > they > are > familiar > with > the > current > ant > build > and > it > works. > >> > Two > of > the > people > who > want > maven > have > offered > to > create > the > maven > >> > build > (and > one > has > done > so > within > the > limits > of > not > moving > anything). > >> > >> > This > goes > along > with > my > general > observation > that > ant > is > good > if > you > >> > want > to > keep > your > project > private > and > unrelated > to > other > software > or > >> > new > contributors > and > maven > is > good > if > you > want > your > project > to > have > >> > good > relations > with > other > projects, > both > as > a > consumer > of > >> > dependencies > such > as > spec > jars > and > as > a > supplier > of > parts > such > as > >> > roller > to > the > geronimo > roller > plugin. > >> > >> > One > of > the > biggest > reasons > I > haven't > found > the > time > to > propose > a > >> > patch > for > the > new > security > stuff > (which > I > consider > seriously > flawed) > >> > is > the > pain > of > trying > to > understand > how > parts > of > the > project > are > >> > interrelated. > This > is > just > not > a > problem > with > a > reasonably > well > laid > >> > out > maven > project. > > > > > Maybe > so > and > maybe > not, > but > if > you > think > the > reason > I > don't > see > value > > > in > Maven > is > because > I > want > to > keep > Roller > a > "private" > project > and > have > > > bad > relations > with > other > projects > then > you > are > wrong. > I > must > say, > I > > > find > that > insinuation > a > little > insulting. > > > > > Again, > I > ask: > what > *specific > problems* > that > we > are > now > facing > with > > > Roller > can > be > solved > by > moving > the > build > process > to > Maven? > > > > > - > Dave > > > > -- -Srini Marreddy
