to be clear, i was not suggesting removing the roller only binary
dist. just adding another unzip-and-run option to the downloads.
On Jun 12, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Java Web Development wrote:
That seems like a good idea but I have some concerns. Primarily
because the
roller-webapp.war file is already 25M (mostly because of the 3rd
party jars)
and adding the server on top of that might turn some people off.
I feel there are three main types of users to target. Those that
want to
simply use roller for a blog, those that want to setup a blog site
and those
that want to extend roller.
For those that want to evaluate it for use the simplest thing would
be to
point them to jroller and have them create a free account.
For those that want to view the maintenance side of things maybe
apache can
host a demo site so people can play around with configuring
weblogger and
planet. Then every night clean the slate.
For those that want to extend roller I think it would be nice to
split up
roller up into 3 projects and a 3rd party library folder that can
easily be
integrated into Netbeans and Eclipse. I haven't used Eclipse for a
couple of
years so I'll give the Netbeans example.
* A lib directory for all the 3rd party jars
* A Java Library Project for classes common to
both weblogger and planet
* A Web Project for weblogger that pulls in the
3rd party jars it needs from the lib folder and
is dependant on the common Java Library Project
* A Web Project for planet that pulls in jars and
depends on the library project as well.
Since both Sun and IBM use roller maybe they can get their IDE
people to
help do this? I started out developing java in notepad and vi and
other text
editors but ever since NB 5 I can't see going back. When I need to
I can
still run the nb ant scripts from the command line.
In the case of the problem I was having, I googled for over an hour
trying
to understand Roller's architecture to see what classes process the
request
before it gets to CommentServlet and came up empty. After figuring
out how
to properly attach the debugger it took a minute to find out that
WeblogRequestMapper was where I was hitting a problem.
NetBeans does a superb job at giving developers a single install
that gets
them up and running developing webapps quickly. Rather than trying to
replicate that just for roller, integrate roller better in Netbeans
(and
Eclipse) for those that want to make enhancements.
I'm not sure what Roller offers that Word Press doesn't, but I can
think of
a lot of stuff in WordPress that would make me favor it over
Roller. The big
draw for me is that it's written in Java and I'm looking into
starting a
project that includes blogs that will be written in Java/JSP. I
think that
most people that choose Roller for the same reasons and the easier
it is to
get started developing Roller the better.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Blattman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: unzip and run
would it make sense to have a roller+[tomcat|glassfish|...] unzip and
run bundle available on the download site? this seems to be the way
things are going ... for eval purposes anyway.
i was able to create a roller deploy-and-go WAR pretty easily from
the 5-min install. then we could of course create a unzip and run by
bundling roller and the web container, w/ roller.war in the
container's autodeploy folder.
thoughts?
