Ok let's leave it as is. I will take MDL to my repository. I don't want to fight with Legal about that.
Carlos I will look into the Vivid soon. :) Thanks, Piotr 2018-02-19 20:23 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>: > Hi, > > as Alex said, Dave and Piotr understand my word incorrectly. Maybe I > express incorrectly. So bad for myself. > > but anyway, I'm with Alex that we as "Apache Royale" should take priority > for our own UI set, and I prefer all the time that we could spend in MDL > examples will go to make our own set looks beautiful. > > In the end, whatever we interpret, is that Piotr can upload MDLExample to > their GitHub so make it accesible to anyone. > > That's my opinion on this, although I invest lot of time in MDLExample a > long with Piotr, my intention was to catch eyes and people for the project, > but in the end I see clearly that any *imported* UI set (MDL, Bootstrap, > etc...) are not the way we should take. Our future depends in making our > own UI set. > > @Piotr, after testing with Vivid, I see clearly that we can mimic the same > MDL looks, maybe not 100%, but very closely...and seems a doable task if > anyone is interesed as a theme, and with only one compilation parameter, we > can make the entire app looks completly different...I think that should be > our goal! :) > > thanks > > > > 2018-02-19 17:33 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>: > > > @Dave, > > > > I agree that you could interpret Carlos's words the way you did, but I > > also think it is possible that Carlos was referring that the two MDL > > examples we are discussing aren't as important as some other things on VP > > Legal's to-do list, which is fair and probably true and why I haven't > > pinged VP Legal. > > > > @Piotr, > > > > As Dave says, the way to escalate is to add a comment to the JIRA issue > or > > ask politely on legal-discuss. Again, how important is it? > > > > My 2 cents, > > -Alex > > > > On 2/19/18, 8:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > >Carlos, > > > > > >Please stop with the meme that the ASF doesn’t care about projects. It > is > > >not helpful and it is not true. > > > > > >There are hundreds of projects. I suggested that you politely query on > > >legal-discuss@. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Dave > > > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:52 AM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> > > >>wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Piotr > > >> > > >> my bet is that, as that projects are of no interest for ASF, you can > > >>upload > > >> to your GitHub account directly without any word about it. > > >> > > >> my 2cnt > > >> > > >> 2018-02-19 11:48 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com > >: > > >> > > >>> It's been several weeks since w have asked about advice. There is no > > >>> response. How can we escalate this question higher ? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, Piotr > > >>> > > >>> 2018-01-30 19:58 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>: > > >>> > > >>>> I created > > >>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > > https%3A%2F%2Fissues > > >>>>.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FLEGAL-363&data=02% > > 7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.c > > >>>>om%7C38e5360cf20847b34cd508d577b572dd%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > > cee > > >>>>1%7C0%7C0%7C636546543554938163&sdata=cDHQDyV2kJw53r7ZQKODy3Itqx2bjl > > leb6 > > >>>>f28MJeDgE%3D&reserved=0 > > >>>> > > >>>> -Alex > > >>>> > > >>>>> On 1/30/18, 8:48 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I think since release has been done we could raise a JIRA. I will > > >>>>>try to > > >>>>> follow it and see how can I help. Will you raise jira since you > have > > >>>>> started legal discussion ? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks, Piotr > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 2018-01-29 7:59 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Yes, filing a JIRA is probably the next step. When do we want to > > >>> spend > > >>>>>> more time on this? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -Alex > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 1/28/18, 3:37 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> It's been more than a week since Alex asked on legal [1] for > advice > > >>> in > > >>>>>>> case > > >>>>>>> of that Examples. No response. What's the next step ? Maybe jira > > >>>>>>>with > > >>>>>> his > > >>>>>>> question ? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> [1] > > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > > >>>>>> https%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2F > > >>>>>>> s5Zp1y&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com% > > >>>> 7C4d3f223be1764199838708d56643 > > >>>>>> 928 > > >>>>>>> c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0% > > >>>>>> 7C636527362778153010&sdata=Ms > > >>>>>>> 5LmB%2F%2FyotheduBEC2yNYACGTZ%2Bhwenw2CwZj6sUU8%3D&reserved=0 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:59 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira < > carlosrov...@apache.org > > >: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Piotr, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> for me it's ok. My opinion is that example should be accesible > but > > >>>>>>>> outside > > >>>>>>>> this project for two reasons: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> 1.- Could be important for people currently using MDL library. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> 2.- As I stated, I want to concentrate our energies in new > Royale > > >>> UI > > >>>>>> Set > > >>>>>>>> that eventually has an MDL theme. So maybe this change will > > >>> encourage > > >>>>>>>> us to > > >>>>>>>> think that is more important to invest in our own set that > > >>>>>>>>continue > > >>>>>>>> working > > >>>>>>>> in a library that is based on an external set that we don't > > >>>>>>>>control > > >>>>>> (and > > >>>>>>>> that's deprecated too in favor of material components by google) > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> So if you want to host it is ok for me, if you do, I'll do > nothing > > >>>>>> since > > >>>>>>>> it's better to have only one repo for both samples, so people > > >>> doesn't > > >>>>>>>> get > > >>>>>>>> confused > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I think we need to wait for legal decisions about this > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> thanks! > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Carlos > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:49 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki > > >>>>>> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Carlos, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I don't mind if you do this. > > >>>>>>>>> I will personally for sure add those examples to my own repo > as I > > >>>>>>>> stated > > >>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>> the RC thread - IF Legal won't allow as to use it. By won't > > >>> allow I > > >>>>>>>> mean > > >>>>>>>>> the situation where we will have to do some magic to have that > > >>>>>>>> example. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Legal discussion is in progress, so I would wait once it will > be > > >>>>>>>> finished. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:39 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira < > > >>> carlosrov...@apache.org > > >>>>> : > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> separating MDL examples problem from release so we can get > that > > >>>>>> done > > >>>>>>>> soon > > >>>>>>>>>> with less noise. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I want to ask here if it would be ok to upload both > conflictive > > >>>>>>>> examples > > >>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>> my own github account so people interested can access it. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Let me know in order to proceed. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> 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