Ok Piotr, I'm not sure what is happening there. It does seem strange -
shell.view.royale.Shell seems like a class and somehow has org
<http://shell.view.royale.shell.org/>.apache.royale.jewel.Application
appended to it.

I don't think that is related to anything I did (and it works fine against
the 'real-world' app I tested against - with maven build). Can you build
Tour de Jewel  ok?





On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:04 PM Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> Thanks for your changes. Unfortunately I'm not able so far properly build
> my real world app using Maven. I build Jewel module by Maven, so I have
> setup my app to be buildable with Maven. Unfortunately I'm getting weird
> exception during running app.
>
> SimpleCSSValuesImpl.js:102 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property
> 'string' of undefined
>     at
>
> org.apache.royale.core.AllCSSValuesImpl.org.apache.royale.core.SimpleCSSValuesImpl.init
> (SimpleCSSValuesImpl.js:102)
>     at
> shell.view.royale.Shell.org
> .apache.royale.jewel.Application.set__valuesImpl
> (Application.js:311)
>     at shell.view.royale.Shell.org.apache.royale.jewel.Application [as
> constructor] (Application.js:46)
>     at Function.childCtor.base (base.js:2515)
>
> Above exception is not occurs when I'm building using Nightly. I probably
> will have to build framework by ant and prepare IDE compatible environment
> or will try to rebuild whole framework by Maven and try again.
>
> Thanks, Piotr
>
> czw., 20 gru 2018 o 10:49 Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]>
> napisał(a):
>
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > Great news, cause I was going to look into that somewhere between
> > Christmas and New Year. I would be happy to test your changes! Do not
> > hesitate push it!
> >
> > Thank you so much!
> > Piotr
> >
> > czw., 20 gru 2018 o 10:39 Greg Dove <[email protected]> napisał(a):
> >
> >> Piotr, Alex,
> >>
> >> fyi I found some time to spend on this today, and Piotr, I should be
> ready
> >> to push the changes I made to your branch tomorrow morning my time
> (local
> >> time - GMT+13).
> >> It seems to be fine so far with 'selectionChange' for binding based on
> >> model changes and 'change' for class event meta. I have been been
> testing
> >> so far against Tour de Jewel, but I will test against our real-world
> >> project as well before I push to your branch Piotr.
> >>
> >> -Greg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:45 AM Greg Dove <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Alex, I can't remember offhand, but I think we used that once in only
> >> one
> >> > place, and I did it really quickly. I am sure there will be a way to
> >> avoid
> >> > it.
> >> > I think the bigger issue is the way I did the changes to the model to
> >> > support dispatching change events for programmatic changes, which I
> >> think
> >> > Piotr was looking at.
> >> > Maybe I can take a look at that later today, but I can't be certain.
> >> > The simplest fix might be to revert everything I did and add binding
> for
> >> > the selection changes (currently 'selectedIndexChanged' and
> >> > 'selectedItemChanged' which I know you say could be
> 'selectionChanged')
> >> in
> >> > addition to 'change' (as discussed) and make sure the component is
> >> > dispatching those from the model (if it does not already do so). If
> >> > 'selectionChanged' (or whatever it is) is already happening as a
> result
> >> of
> >> > 'change' in addition to setter triggered changes, then it could be a
> >> simple
> >> > swap for the binding event only (as discussed also)
> >> >
> >> > But this last part was also applicable to the wholesale change to all
> >> > component sets we were discussing, not just Jewel.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:17 AM Alex Harui <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Greg, Carlos,
> >> >>
> >> >> Can one of you put together a simple test case that demonstrates your
> >> >> need for this "OnStartup" bead?  It doesn't need server access.  You
> >> can
> >> >> probably inject a dataProvider on applicationComplete or have the
> user
> >> push
> >> >> a button if the issue is about deferred arrival of server data.
> >> >>
> >> >> IMO, we have to be more concerned about getting the patterns right
> >> >> regressions, and the best way to avoid getting regressions is to
> >> provide a
> >> >> simple test case that demonstrates a problem in the patterns.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hopefully, "OnStartup" beads are not going to be required and won't
> be
> >> >> part of the framework.  The usability of the framework will go down
> if
> >> >> folks have to keep adding more and more "OnThis" and "OnThat" beads
> to
> >> get
> >> >> their app to work.  The approachability of the framework in terms of
> >> >> documentation and number of classes won't scale either if we don't
> get
> >> >> these patterns right.  This doesn't mean that you can't use an
> >> "onStartup"
> >> >> bead in your app in order to meet some deadline, and share it with
> >> others,
> >> >> but we have to be careful about what patterns we promote in the SDK.
> >> >>
> >> >> My 2 cents,
> >> >> -Alex
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12/18/18, 12:17 AM, "Greg Dove" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>     Hi Piotr,
> >> >>
> >> >>     I would be happy to work on it, and wish I could, but the problem
> >> for
> >> >> me at
> >> >>     the moment is that I can't make it a priority, because for now at
> >> >> least it
> >> >>     is functioning as we need it, and there are plenty of things that
> >> are
> >> >> not
> >> >>     (mostly unrelated to Jewel). While the implementation as it
> stands
> >> >> might
> >> >>     not be 'right', it does function as we need it to for now. I
> >> suspect
> >> >> that
> >> >>     is what Carlos meant when he said he was concerned about
> >> regressions.
> >> >>
> >> >>     I have other stuff queued up to add in other areas too, like
> >> >> AMFBinaryData
> >> >>     and AMFNetConnection but will need to do more work to generalize
> >> it,
> >> >> as I
> >> >>     have it these working in a way that is almost complete, but
> mostly
> >> >> focused
> >> >>     on what is sufficient for what Carlos needs for now.
> >> >>
> >> >>     I hope to get some free time in early January to finish up these
> >> >> things.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>     On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:53 AM Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> >> [email protected]>
> >> >>     wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>     > Hi Guys,
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > I definitely need to a way of resolve that problem. I will
> review
> >> >> emails
> >> >>     > tomorrow.
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > However if you Greg would like to try something go for it.
> Would
> >> be
> >> >> great
> >> >>     > if you could use my branch where changes which removes
> >> dispatching
> >> >> "change"
> >> >>     > event from model are in place.
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > Thanks, Piotr
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > pon., 17 gru 2018 o 23:46 Alex Harui <[email protected]
> >
> >> >>     > napisał(a):
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > > Hi Greg,
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > > I haven't looked at how pervasive this change would be.  I'm
> >> >> mainly
> >> >>     > saying
> >> >>     > > that Flex worked with these categories of events and I think
> >> >> Royale can
> >> >>     > too
> >> >>     > > and would eliminate the need for DispatchChangeOnStartup and
> >> >> things like
> >> >>     > > that.
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > > You could be right that the models only need to dispatch
> >> >> selectionChange
> >> >>     > > and not "change", as long as the controllers are guaranteed
> to
> >> >> update the
> >> >>     > > model in a way that fires selectionChange.  I have this
> feeling
> >> >> that in
> >> >>     > > Flex there were some backdoors for updating properties
> without
> >> >>     > dispatching
> >> >>     > > events and dispatching the event "later", but I don't think
> >> we've
> >> >> had to
> >> >>     > > write such code in Royale and maybe we won't have to or can't
> >> >> because the
> >> >>     > > browser will update right away in many cases.  There were
> >> >> somethings you
> >> >>     > > could do in Flash knowing that all rendering was deferred to
> >> frame
> >> >>     > > updates.  In Royale, with separate models, the controller
> code
> >> >> can't just
> >> >>     > > set the backing variable.
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > > So, if you want to give it a try having only selectionChange
> as
> >> >> the
> >> >>     > > bindable event, go for it.
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > > -Alex
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > > On 12/17/18, 12:35 PM, "Greg Dove" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >     Thanks Alex.
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >     I only looked in Basic TextInput because I was looking
> for
> >> a
> >> >> simpler
> >> >>     > >     example of the general case being discussed. That code
> >> looks
> >> >> like it
> >> >>     > > might
> >> >>     > >     need some work on the swf side in any case.
> >> >>     > >     I was just looking for the 'programmaticChange' vs
> >> >>     > > 'userInitiatedChange'
> >> >>     > >     differences.
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >     Based on a quick look at the other Basic classes, the
> >> >> conclusions
> >> >>     > > appear
> >> >>     > >     similar.  They are bindable via 'change'  only.
> >> >>     > >     And the models all dispatch both selectedIndexChanged and
> >> >>     > >     selectedItemChanged.
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >     So it seems like you are proposing broad changes for
> >> >> everything, if
> >> >>     > > they
> >> >>     > >     are to also support binding changes for programmatic
> >> changes?
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >     For me, the change in something (or nothing) being
> >> 'selected'
> >> >>     > logically
> >> >>     > >     occurs as a result of either user change or programmatic
> >> >> change. On
> >> >>     > > that
> >> >>     > >     basis would it be possible to have the selectionChange as
> >> the
> >> >> sole
> >> >>     > > Binding
> >> >>     > >     event (which occurs from setter induced change and from
> >> user
> >> >> induced
> >> >>     > >     change) and the 'change' event as user-interaction only
> as
> >> >> the class
> >> >>     > > level
> >> >>     > >     event type (as it is now)?
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >     I have not thought about this as much as you (Alex and
> >> >> others) have,
> >> >>     > so
> >> >>     > >     maybe that last suggestion does not make sense. But I
> >> really
> >> >> think
> >> >>     > > that for
> >> >>     > >     whatever does make sense it would be great to settle on
> >> >> something and
> >> >>     > > get
> >> >>     > >     it consistent for all components  asap.
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >     On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 8:43 AM Alex Harui
> >> >> <[email protected]
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > > wrote:
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > >     > Hi Greg,
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     > You are correct that there is a pain point around
> binding
> >> >> overhead
> >> >>     > > and
> >> >>     > >     > PAYG.  I can't think of a PAYG way of adding the
> ability
> >> to
> >> >> add
> >> >>     > more
> >> >>     > >     > binding events via beads that doesn't have too much
> >> >> overhead for
> >> >>     > > folks not
> >> >>     > >     > interested in those extra events.  Actually, there are
> >> some
> >> >> ways
> >> >>     > > that are
> >> >>     > >     > JS-only like replacing prototype-methods, but I don't
> >> think
> >> >> we
> >> >>     > > should rely
> >> >>     > >     > on mutable class definitions.   In many cases we make
> >> >> trade-offs
> >> >>     > and
> >> >>     > > Basic
> >> >>     > >     > ends up being what we think almost all folks "must
> have".
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     > When we first started out I was hoping to reduce
> binding
> >> >> overhead
> >> >>     > > which is
> >> >>     > >     > why some of the beads look like they do, but these
> days I
> >> >> think it
> >> >>     > > is more
> >> >>     > >     > important to separate interactive events from
> >> binding/setup
> >> >> events.
> >> >>     > > Folks
> >> >>     > >     > who don't use a particular binding event can always
> >> replace
> >> >> the
> >> >>     > > model and
> >> >>     > >     > top-level component with a version without events they
> >> are
> >> >> not
> >> >>     > > interested
> >> >>     > >     > in, or in the JS output, run a post-process to cull out
> >> >> metadata.
> >> >>     > > But
> >> >>     > >     > under the "almost all folks" rule, I think "almost all
> >> >> folks" don't
> >> >>     > > want to
> >> >>     > >     > run interaction handling code at setup time.
> Especially
> >> if
> >> >> that
> >> >>     > > handling
> >> >>     > >     > code runs any sort of animation or does any other heavy
> >> >> processing.
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     > I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that if you just
> >> take
> >> >> a
> >> >>     > > <select>
> >> >>     > >     > element, you can set its initial selection value
> without
> >> it
> >> >>     > > dispatching an
> >> >>     > >     > event called "change".  Then when a user selects an
> item
> >> >> you get a
> >> >>     > > "change"
> >> >>     > >     > event.  IMO, this is why "change" should be an
> >> interactive
> >> >> event
> >> >>     > and
> >> >>     > > not a
> >> >>     > >     > binding event.
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     > So these are the reasons I think we should adjust the
> >> basic
> >> >> beads
> >> >>     > to
> >> >>     > >     > separate interactive events from setup events and why
> >> >> "change" is
> >> >>     > an
> >> >>     > >     > interactive event.
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     > Now, we could renew the effort to make Basic the truly
> >> >> smallest
> >> >>     > >     > implementation and move some of this logic to Express,
> >> but
> >> >> I keep
> >> >>     > > seeing
> >> >>     > >     > code creep into Basic to handle situations that almost
> >> all
> >> >> folks
> >> >>     > > need.
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     > TextInput, on the other hand, has been an exception of
> >> >> sorts in
> >> >>     > > Flex.  The
> >> >>     > >     > Flash/AIR runtime dispatches "change" on certain kinds
> of
> >> >> changes.
> >> >>     > > So
> >> >>     > >     > early implementations in Royale tried to mimic that
> >> >> behavior for
> >> >>     > > folks
> >> >>     > >     > coming from Flex.  But maybe we should change that and
> >> make
> >> >> Basic
> >> >>     > > TextInput
> >> >>     > >     > more consistent with browser behavior.  The emulation
> >> >> components
> >> >>     > can
> >> >>     > > mimic
> >> >>     > >     > the old Flex behavior.  So I think using TextInput as
> >> >> precedent is
> >> >>     > >     > misleading.
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     > Thoughts?
> >> >>     > >     > -Alex
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     > On 12/17/18, 10:55 AM, "Greg Dove" <
> [email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     Alex, I was giving this some more thought also. I
> >> >> understood
> >> >>     > > that you
> >> >>     > >     > meant
> >> >>     > >     >     to add extra events for binding from your previous
> >> >> comments.
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     But isn't the established pattern to add a bead to
> >> >> listen for
> >> >>     > the
> >> >>     > >     >     selectionChange and redispatch it as change?
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     At least that seems to be the case elsewhere
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     If I look at the code in Basic TextInput...
> >> >>     > >     >     it dispatches 'textChange' and 'change' but is only
> >> >> Bindable
> >> >>     > via
> >> >>     > >     > 'change'.
> >> >>     > >     >     There is effort to keep them distinct/separate.
> >> >>     > >     >     (OT: It looks like the swf side needs some
> >> consistency
> >> >> in the
> >> >>     > > html
> >> >>     > >     > setter
> >> >>     > >     >     same as the text setter.)
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     So TextInput appears to have 2 distinct events but
> >> only
> >> >> be
> >> >>     > > Bindable
> >> >>     > >     > for one
> >> >>     > >     >     ('change'). So I presume that to make that support
> >> >> programmatic
> >> >>     > >     > changes it
> >> >>     > >     >     would be by adding a bead to listen to the
> >> 'textChange'
> >> >> and
> >> >>     > > redispatch
> >> >>     > >     > as
> >> >>     > >     >     'change' ?
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     Adding extra Bindable events adds weight because it
> >> >> affects
> >> >>     > > binding
> >> >>     > >     > data,
> >> >>     > >     >     and creates more runtime support for the same
> feature
> >> >> in use
> >> >>     > > cases
> >> >>     > >     > that may
> >> >>     > >     >     not need it. I don't see how that can be
> 'PAYG-ised'
> >> >> because
> >> >>     > > binding
> >> >>     > >     >     support for different event types is either there
> at
> >> >> compile
> >> >>     > > time or
> >> >>     > >     > it is
> >> >>     > >     >     not in the component. So if the above is true for
> >> >> TextInput (at
> >> >>     > > this
> >> >>     > >     > stage
> >> >>     > >     >     it's a guess/observation, I did not try this yet),
> >> then
> >> >> could
> >> >>     > it
> >> >>     > > not be
> >> >>     > >     >     similar for selection based components?
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     To me 'change' seems like something generic and
> does
> >> >> not sound
> >> >>     > >     > specific to
> >> >>     > >     >     being user-initiated change. My understanding is
> that
> >> >> it just
> >> >>     > > happens
> >> >>     > >     > to be
> >> >>     > >     >     that way by default, unless you configure it to
> >> include
> >> >>     > > programmatic
> >> >>     > >     >     changes via bead.
> >> >>     > >     >     If it is like this for Basic TextInput, why can it
> >> not
> >> >> be the
> >> >>     > > same for
> >> >>     > >     >     other components ? (
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:32 AM Alex Harui
> >> >>     > > <[email protected]>
> >> >>     > >     > wrote:
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     > I took a quick look at ArrayListSelection.  It
> >> could
> >> >> use some
> >> >>     > >     >     > improvements, such as only dispatching a single
> >> >>     > > selectionChange event
> >> >>     > >     >     > instead of both selectedIndexChange and
> >> >> selectedItemChange.
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     > Some controller should dispatch the "change"
> event,
> >> >> not the
> >> >>     > > model.
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     > I took a quick look at List.as, (a top level
> >> >> component).  It
> >> >>     > > should
> >> >>     > >     > have
> >> >>     > >     >     > bindable metadata that looks like this:
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >         [Bindable("change")]
> >> >>     > >     >     >         [Bindable("selectionChange")]
> >> >>     > >     >     >         public function get selectedIndex():int
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     > Similar for selectedItem.  The [Event] metadata
> for
> >> >> List is
> >> >>     > >     > correct,  It
> >> >>     > >     >     > should only list interactive events like "change"
> >> and
> >> >> not
> >> >>     > > bindable
> >> >>     > >     > events
> >> >>     > >     >     > like selectionChange.  This usually improves
> >> >> performance by
> >> >>     > not
> >> >>     > >     > having the
> >> >>     > >     >     > UI react to setup.
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     > Once all of those changes are made, we should
> >> discuss
> >> >> any
> >> >>     > > remaining
> >> >>     > >     > issues.
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     > My 2 cents,
> >> >>     > >     >     > -Alex
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     > On 12/17/18, 10:14 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> >> >>     > > [email protected]>
> >> >>     > >     >     > wrote:
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     Basic ArrayListSelection model doesn't
> dispatch
> >> >> that
> >> >>     > > event. I
> >> >>     > >     > believe
> >> >>     > >     >     > we
> >> >>     > >     >     >     don't have to do this or rather do this only
> if
> >> >> we really
> >> >>     > > need
> >> >>     > >     > it, for
> >> >>     > >     >     >     example if someone make programatic change of
> >> >>     > > selectedIndex. -
> >> >>     > >     > This is
> >> >>     > >     >     >     general problem how to do that ?
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     If I change selectedIndex - my model dispatch
> >> >>     > >     > selectedInexChanged -
> >> >>     > >     >     > where
> >> >>     > >     >     >     should I catch it and dispatch "change"
> event ?
> >> >> My though
> >> >>     > > are
> >> >>     > >     > nowhere,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     unless someone wanted to do that and have a
> >> bead.
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     pon., 17 gru 2018 o 19:08 Alex Harui
> >> >>     > > <[email protected]>
> >> >>     > >     >     > napisał(a):
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > Hi Piotr,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > I may not be understanding your problem.
> Not
> >> >> all
> >> >>     > models
> >> >>     > > will
> >> >>     > >     >     > dispatch a
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > change event, but it is hard to imagine a
> >> >> selection
> >> >>     > > model that
> >> >>     > >     >     > doesn't.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > -Alex
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > On 12/17/18, 9:36 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> >> >>     > >     > [email protected]>
> >> >>     > >     >     > wrote:
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     I will review your email again and see
> >> what
> >> >> can I
> >> >>     > do
> >> >>     > > this.
> >> >>     > >     >     > However
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > this one
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     is a second problem. First one was
> about
> >> >>     > programmatic
> >> >>     > >     > change
> >> >>     > >     >     > discover
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > - If
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     you are talking about that - Let me
> check
> >> >> your
> >> >>     > > earlier
> >> >>     > >     > emails.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     Thanks,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     Piotr
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     pon., 17 gru 2018 o 18:30 Alex Harui
> >> >>     > >     > <[email protected]>
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > napisał(a):
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > FWIW, I would much rather see energy
> >> >> spent on
> >> >>     > > trying to
> >> >>     > >     >     > implement the
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > patterns I suggested earlier, which
> >> will
> >> >>     > hopefully
> >> >>     > >     > eliminate
> >> >>     > >     >     > the
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > need for
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > DispatchChangeOnStartup.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > My 2 cents,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > -Alex
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > On 12/17/18, 4:34 AM, "Piotr
> Zarzycki"
> >> <
> >> >>     > >     >     > [email protected]>
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > wrote:
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     Carlos,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     I don't understand this sentence
> >> -> "
> >> >> If not
> >> >>     > > we can
> >> >>     > >     > get
> >> >>     > >     >     > involved
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > in
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > pursues
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     problems
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     that are not real." - What do you
> >> >> mean here ?
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     Ok I can wait for Alex review.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     However your review and look into
> >> >> above
> >> >>     > problem
> >> >>     > >     > doesn't
> >> >>     > >     >     > need
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > Alex's
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     attention. This bead
> >> >>     > (DispatchChangeOnStartup)
> >> >>     > >     > probably
> >> >>     > >     >     > won't
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > work
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > doesn't
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     matter if we fix programmatic
> >> change
> >> >> or not.
> >> >>     > -
> >> >>     > >     > Unless I
> >> >>     > >     >     > bring
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > back
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     dispatching "change" event from
> >> model
> >> >> - which
> >> >>     > > rather
> >> >>     > >     > is not
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > recommended in
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     previous discussion.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     Thanks, Piotr
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     pon., 17 gru 2018 o 13:14 Carlos
> >> >> Rovira <
> >> >>     > >     >     > [email protected]
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     napisał(a):
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > Hi Piotr,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > I think we should solve first
> the
> >> >>     > programatic
> >> >>     > >     > change so
> >> >>     > >     >     > I can
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > test
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > the
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > branch and see regressions. If
> >> not
> >> >> we can
> >> >>     > get
> >> >>     > >     > involved in
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > pursues
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > problems
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > that are not real. I think Alex
> >> >> missed this
> >> >>     > >     > discussion.
> >> >>     > >     >     > I'll
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > point
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > him in
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > this thread to see if he can
> give
> >> >> his
> >> >>     > opinion
> >> >>     > >     > about the
> >> >>     > >     >     > ways
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > you
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > proposed
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > in the initial thread email.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > Thanks!
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > El lun., 17 dic. 2018 a las
> >> 10:57,
> >> >> Piotr
> >> >>     > > Zarzycki
> >> >>     > >     > (<
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > [email protected]>)
> >> >> escribió:
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > Hi Carlos,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > I just noticed that if model
> do
> >> >> not
> >> >>     > > dispatch
> >> >>     > >     > change
> >> >>     > >     >     > event -
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > your
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > bead
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > DispatchChangeOnStartup won't
> >> work
> >> >>     > because
> >> >>     > > it
> >> >>     > >     > simply
> >> >>     > >     >     > based on
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > dispatching
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > "change" event trough model.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > I'm wondering whether it
> won't
> >> be
> >> >> enough
> >> >>     > > if that
> >> >>     > >     > bead
> >> >>     > >     >     > listen
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > for
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > "beadsAdded" (here I think it
> >> >> should be
> >> >>     > >     > registered for
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > "initComplete"
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > instead) and dispatch change
> >> >> event once.
> >> >>     > I
> >> >>     > > made
> >> >>     > >     > the
> >> >>     > >     >     > changes
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > to
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > that bead,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > but I don't have scenario
> which
> >> >> you are
> >> >>     > > using it.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >  Will you be able to test my
> >> >> changes on
> >> >>     > > your
> >> >>     > >     >     > application end
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > using
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > my
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > branch ? Above changes are
> not
> >> >> fully
> >> >>     > > related to
> >> >>     > >     > what
> >> >>     > >     >     > we are
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > discussing
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > here, so programmatic change
> >> >> still won't
> >> >>     > > work
> >> >>     > >     > yet.
> >> >>     > >     >     > Please
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > review
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > those
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > changes as well [1]
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > Those new changes are just to
> >> >> check
> >> >>     > > whether I
> >> >>     > >     > won't
> >> >>     > >     >     > break
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > any of
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > your
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > functionality on startup. I
> >> will
> >> >> move for
> >> >>     > >     > creating
> >> >>     > >     >     > bead for
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > discovering
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > programmatic changes, but
> first
> >> >> would
> >> >>     > like
> >> >>     > > to
> >> >>     > >     > know
> >> >>     > >     >     > whether
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > till now
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > everything is working fine.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > [1]
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     >
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > Thanks, Piotr
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > pt., 14 gru 2018 o 19:55
> Carlos
> >> >> Rovira <
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > [email protected]>
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > napisał(a):
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > Hi Piotr,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > after check example code,
> we
> >> >> have:
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > <j:ComboBox
> >> >> id="watchmenComboBox"
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > dataProvider="{listModel.watchmen}">
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >>  ...
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > then NS:
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > <j:NumericStepper
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> valueChange="watchmenComboBox.selectedIndex =
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > event.target.value"
> >> minimum="0"
> >> >>     > > maximum="5"/>
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > and finally
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > <j:Label
> >> >> id="watchmenComboBoxResult"
> >> >>     > > html=
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     > "{describeItem(watchmenComboBox.selectedItem)}"/>
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > I think right now works as
> >> >> expected,
> >> >>     > > since the
> >> >>     > >     >     > change is
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > programatic
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > (is
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > not the user clicking in
> the
> >> >> combo list
> >> >>     > > and
> >> >>     > >     > selecting
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > other item
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > So I think a bead should be
> >> >> better in
> >> >>     > > this
> >> >>     > >     > case, that
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > takes care
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > of
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > this
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > behavior.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > I'm interested in Alex
> >> response
> >> >> about
> >> >>     > > how to
> >> >>     > >     > handle
> >> >>     > >     >     > it
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > Thanks Piotr for working on
> >> this
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > Carlos
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > El vie., 14 dic. 2018 a las
> >> >> 17:02,
> >> >>     > Piotr
> >> >>     > >     > Zarzycki (<
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > [email protected]
> >)
> >> >> escribió:
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > Hi Carlos,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > I have created issue [1]
> >> and
> >> >> branch
> >> >>     > > [2] for
> >> >>     > >     >     > problem with
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > double
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > dispatch
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > "change" event.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > I have pushed changes
> when
> >> I'm
> >> >>     > > removing from
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > ArrayListSelectionModel
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > dispatch of change event.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > Above action successfully
> >> fix
> >> >> however
> >> >>     > > like I
> >> >>     > >     >     > thought it's
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > introduces
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > another one which I would
> >> >> like to
> >> >>     > > discuss
> >> >>     > >     > how to
> >> >>     > >     >     > fix. I
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > have
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > deployed
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > temporary Tour De Jewel
> >> here
> >> >> [3] in
> >> >>     > > order to
> >> >>     > >     > show
> >> >>     > >     >     > you
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > and to
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > others
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > that
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > issue.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > *New Issue:*
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > When you go to ComboBox
> and
> >> >> try to
> >> >>     > > change
> >> >>     > >     >     > selectedIndex
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > using
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > NumericStepper it will
> >> >> successfully
> >> >>     > > change
> >> >>     > >     >     > selectedItem
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > in
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > ComboBox.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > Unfortunately label on
> the
> >> >> right
> >> >>     > sight
> >> >>     > > of
> >> >>     > >     > ComboBox
> >> >>     > >     >     > won't
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > be
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > updated.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > *Question is:*
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > How should be implemented
> >> >> discover of
> >> >>     > >     > programmatic
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > change of
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > selectedIndex
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > and selectedItem ?
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > *I see following
> options:*
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > 1) We should listen on
> >> events
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     >
> >> >> selectedIndexChanged/selectedItemChanged
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > and
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > dispatch "change" from
> >> >> components
> >> >>     > View
> >> >>     > > bead.
> >> >>     > >     > In
> >> >>     > >     >     > this way
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > we
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > have to
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > take
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > into account places where
> >> >> "we" as a
> >> >>     > > component
> >> >>     > >     >     > setup those
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > properties
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > internally - In that case
> >> >>     > >     > "selectedIndexChanged"
> >> >>     > >     >     > and
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > "selectedItemChanged"
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > event shouldn't be
> >> dispatch.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > 2) Create separate bead
> >> which
> >> >> allows
> >> >>     > > discover
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > programmatic
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > change of
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > selectedIndex and
> >> >> selectedItem- cause
> >> >>     > > not
> >> >>     > >     > everyone
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > wanted to
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > have at
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > all
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > programmatic change event
> >> in
> >> >> the
> >> >>     > > component -
> >> >>     > >     >     > probably
> >> >>     > >     >     >     > most of
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     > the
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > cases
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > will be opposite.
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > What others think about
> >> that ?
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > [1]
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     >
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > [2]
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     >
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > [3]
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     >
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > Thanks,
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > --
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > Piotr Zarzycki
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > Patreon: *
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     >
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >     > > > > <
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >     >
> >> >>     > >     >
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     >
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>     > Piotr Zarzycki
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > Patreon: *
> >> >>
> >>
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> >
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