Thanks Alex - I'll try to hit the window, much appreciated!

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:57 AM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> It turns out I have a "split shift" today.  I'm stopping work for the next
> 7 or 8 hours then will get around to the merge.  So if you can get your
> changes merged in that amount of time, then I will wait for you and deal
> with any merge conflicts (there are almost certain to be some).
>
> -Alex
>
> On 6/10/19, 11:46 AM, "Greg Dove" <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Alex, slightly OT, but in terms of coordination: fyi I am also very
> close
>     to merging the language improvements branch into develop. As I already
>     mentioned elsewhere, I was hoping to do that a couple of days back, but
>     some recent things also took me a little longer than expected (I have
>     additional local changes/fixes not yet in remote branch) . I was
> planning
>     to merge that today also.
>
>     However, I will wait until after your merge, so I'm hoping you can get
>     yours in today (if not, I will wait). I will probably put mine in as a
>     squashed commit after yours.
>
>
>     On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:05 AM Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>     wrote:
>
>     > Hi Alex,
>     >
>     > Many thanks for that! I will try to be RM. I will have some
> dedicated time
>     > for that. I will wait for your instruction and merge to develop.
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     > Piotr
>     >
>     >
>     > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 7:31 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>     >
>     > > Well, that turned out to be much more time-consuming than I
> expected, but
>     > > we can now create identical release artifacts on Mac and Win.  I am
>     > hopeful
>     > > this effort will pay off not only now in having other folks
> generate
>     > > releases, but also in the future if signed binaries become a
> requirement.
>     > >
>     > > There continues to be a lot of distractions in my life that can
> cause
>     > > delays, but I hope to merge the release_practice branches into
> develop
>     > over
>     > > the next day or two and figure out where in the wiki to document
> the
>     > > release process.  So, now is the time for one or more people to
> step up
>     > to
>     > > be the RMs for 0.9.6 and help debug and improve the process.
>     > >
>     > > I am going to try very hard not to "own" the process.  If
> something goes
>     > > wrong, I am going to ask others to try to debug and fix it first
> because
>     > it
>     > > is in the project's best interests for others to truly understand
> how
>     > this
>     > > stuff works.
>     > >
>     > > Thanks,
>     > > -Alex
>     > >
>     > > On 5/23/19, 9:54 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >     It has turned out to be harder than expected to get the same
> binaries
>     > > on Mac and Win.  I now have the identical binaries for
> royale-compiler
>     > and
>     > > royale-typedefs Maven artifacts and am starting on royale-asjs.  I
> might
>     > > get lucky and the changes that fixed royale-typedefs SWCs will
> magically
>     > > get the royale-asjs SWCs to match.  Then we have to make the Ant
>     > artifacts
>     > > match.
>     > >
>     > >     There have been a lot of distractions in my non-work life
> which has
>     > > also impeded progress.  I hope to make much progress this coming
> week and
>     > > if we're lucky, I will be asking for a volunteer (or volunteers)
> to test
>     > > drive all of this stuff and be the RM for 0.9.6.  I am not going
> to be
>     > the
>     > > RM.
>     > >
>     > >     -Alex
>     > >
>     > >     On 5/23/19, 9:39 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>     > > wrote:
>     > >
>     > >         Hi Alex,
>     > >
>     > >         It's been a while since you have started effort with
> automating
>     > > build.
>     > >         Where are you with that ? Are we closer to started 0.9.6.
> Do you
>     > > need any
>     > >         help with this ?
>     > >
>     > >         Thanks,
>     > >         Piotr
>     > >
>     > >         wt., 2 kwi 2019 o 19:30 Alex Harui
> <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
>     > > napisał(a):
>     > >
>     > >         > Update:
>     > >         >
>     > >         > In order to make verification of binary release packages
>     > created
>     > > on the
>     > >         > server easier, I have made changes to our build scripts
> and
>     > > tools to try to
>     > >         > generate reproducible binaries.  I've seen two different
> builds
>     > > compare on
>     > >         > my Mac.   The next challenge will be to see if the
> server can
>     > > build a
>     > >         > package on Windows that will compare on Mac.
>     > >         >
>     > >         > One of the changes I needed to make is to JBurg.  The
> version
>     > of
>     > > JBurg we
>     > >         > use generates method names including a hash that doesn't
>     > > reproduce the same
>     > >         > name each time.  I have changes to JBurg ready, however
> JBurg
>     > is
>     > > currently
>     > >         > under CPL which is category B.  We only need one file,
> we don't
>     > > need or
>     > >         > want all of JBurg at this time.  The one JBurg file is
> jointly
>     > > owned by
>     > >         > Adobe and Tom Harwood.  I've contact Tom and he will be
> filing
>     > > an ICLA and
>     > >         > has given me permission to commit the lines he owns in
> that one
>     > > file.
>     > >         >
>     > >         > This is the revision of the file that will be donated by
>     > > Tom/Adobe.
>     > >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     >
> https://sourceforge.net/p/jburg/code/ci/66c287943376a74ac791f3d3bf969ab160bf80ff/tree/src/generator/jburg/burg/JBurgGenerator.java
>     > >         >
>     > >         > Once this file goes in with the changes to keep the
> method
>     > names
>     > > the same,
>     > >         > there will be more tweaks to the release tasks and then
> we can
>     > > try cutting
>     > >         > a release.  I'm thinking we'll be at that point in early
> May,
>     > so
>     > > now is the
>     > >         > time to get stuff in for the 0.9.6 release.
>     > >         >
>     > >         > Thanks,
>     > >         > -Alex
>     > >         >
>     > >         > On 3/8/19, 9:27 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com>
> wrote:
>     > >         >
>     > >         >     I would much rather have others find and fix issues
>     > > themselves.  That
>     > >         > way, more people than just me will know how to maintain
> the
>     > > system.  It
>     > >         > actually turns out that, IMO, a group of people can work
> on the
>     > > release.
>     > >         > There are 14 steps.  Literally, 14 different people could
>     > > execute one step
>     > >         > each.
>     > >         >
>     > >         >     My 2 cents,
>     > >         >     -Alex
>     > >         >
>     > >         >     On 3/8/19, 2:13 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
>     > carlosrov...@apache.org>
>     > > wrote:
>     > >         >
>     > >         >         Hi Alex,
>     > >         >
>     > >         >         amazing work! congrats to reach to this point! :)
>     > >         >
>     > >         >         I need to put my head on all of this, but count
> on me
>     > to
>     > > be a RM.
>     > >         > I think
>     > >         >         the best thing should be that you be the first
> RM to
>     > try
>     > > your own
>     > >         >         development at least for the first time, and
> then the
>     > > rest of us
>     > >         > will
>     > >         >         follow you on the next releases. With all this
> on place
>     > > we maybe
>     > >         > could
>     > >         >         release once a month or every two months...
>     > >         >
>     > >         >         Thanks for doing this :)
>     > >         >
>     > >         >         Carlos
>     > >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >         >         El vie., 8 mar. 2019 a las 1:55, Alex Harui
>     > >         > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
>     > >         >         escribió:
>     > >         >
>     > >         >         > OK, I've now seen Jenkins perform the steps to
> build
>     > > the release
>     > >         >         > artifacts.  Folks interested in Docker-izing
> the
>     > steps
>     > > are
>     > >         > welcome to look
>     > >         >         > at the jobs on the "Royale Release" tab on the
> CI
>     > > server.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     >
> http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/view/Royale%20Release/
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         > These steps assume that the RM can run the
> basic
>     > Maven
>     > > and Ant
>     > >         > build on
>     > >         >         > the RM's computer. I think that's a fair
> requirement
>     > > since all
>     > >         > of us on the
>     > >         >         > PMC need to able to do that to build the RC in
> order
>     > > to vote on
>     > >         > it.
>     > >         >         >  Jenkins does other tasks like run the Maven
> release
>     > > plugin
>     > >         > steps.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         > Currently that results in binaries on Jenkins
> that
>     > are
>     > >         > downloaded to the
>     > >         >         > RM's computer.  These binaries need to be
> verified by
>     > > the RM
>     > >         > which is the
>     > >         >         > next phase I will be starting on now.  The RM
>     > verifies
>     > > the bits
>     > >         > and then
>     > >         >         > PGP signs them.  And then the bits are
> uploaded off
>     > > the RM's
>     > >         > computer to
>     > >         >         > Maven Staging or dist.a.o/dev.   If that
> uploading
>     > > turns out to
>     > >         > be a point
>     > >         >         > of failure, we have the option of having
> Jenkins
>     > > upload the big
>     > >         > files and
>     > >         >         > have the RM only upload PGP signature files.
> Or
>     > > finding a way
>     > >         > for Jenkins
>     > >         >         > to get the signature files from the RM.  The
> uploads
>     > > worked fine
>     > >         > for me,
>     > >         >         > but then again, so did the old script's
> uploads.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         > Therefore, once I get the binary verification
> phase
>     > > completed, I
>     > >         > think
>     > >         >         > someone other than me should be the RM and try
> to use
>     > > these
>     > >         > steps to
>     > >         >         > generate the release and help debug the
> process for
>     > > the next
>     > >         > RM.  So,
>     > >         >         > please try to carve out some time to be the
> RM.  One
>     > > advantage
>     > >         > of doing
>     > >         >         > most of the work on Jenkins is that it frees
> up my
>     > > computer to
>     > >         > do other
>     > >         >         > things while Jenkins is cranking away.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         > I think we're at least a week away from binary
>     > > verification,
>     > >         > maybe two, so
>     > >         >         > it is time to start thinking about what is
> going in
>     > > this release.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         > Thanks,
>     > >         >         > -Alex
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         > On 3/7/19, 4:15 PM, "Alex Harui"
>     > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>     > >         > wrote:
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >     In case you haven't guessed, I'm testing
> out
>     > > Jenkins and its
>     > >         > ability
>     > >         >         > to create the artifacts and send emails.
> Please
>     > > ignore any
>     > >         > email that
>     > >         >         > looks like a vote or discuss thread.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >     Thanks,
>     > >         >         >     -Alex
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >     On 2/10/19, 8:44 PM, "Alex Harui"
>     > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>     > >         > wrote:
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         Om,
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         Well, that's what I used for the last
>     > > release.  I'm sure
>     > >         > there is
>     > >         >         > probably some inaccuracy in it.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         That said, I'm abandoning that
> document and
>     > > taking a new
>     > >         > angle
>     > >         >         > because that document presumed that the release
>     > > manager was
>     > >         > trying to
>     > >         >         > create a release on his/her computer.  I've
> given up
>     > > on that and
>     > >         > working on
>     > >         >         > making releases from a shared computer for the
>     > reasons
>     > > I've
>     > >         > stated
>     > >         >         > upthread.  I hope to make some progress on
> that this
>     > > week.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         The key difference is that the new
> angle does
>     > > not
>     > >         > presume that you
>     > >         >         > have Git SSH and PGP signatures all set up on
> some
>     > > computer.  I
>     > >         > have not
>     > >         >         > looked into how Docker would handle that.  You
>     > > certainly
>     > >         > wouldn't want the
>     > >         >         > Docker image to contain your SSH or PGP
> keys/creds.
>     > >  And if the
>     > >         > Docker
>     > >         >         > image doesn't, then that is another stumbling
> block
>     > > for future
>     > >         > RMs.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         The other key difference is that the
> old
>     > > script presumed
>     > >         > you could
>     > >         >         > create the 3 release in 3 huge "easy" steps.
> We've
>     > > seen that is
>     > >         > only true
>     > >         >         > for me.  So the new angle creates many
> discrete steps
>     > > managed by
>     > >         > Jenkins.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         So, it is up to you to decide what you
> want
>     > to
>     > >         > "Docker-ize".  You
>     > >         >         > can try to Docker-ize the current 3 big steps,
> so RMs
>     > > can try to
>     > >         > run it on
>     > >         >         > their systems, but I'd bet they will just faiI
> due to
>     > > network
>     > >         > issues.  I
>     > >         >         > would be interested in using Docker to make
> each of
>     > > these many
>     > >         > discrete
>     > >         >         > steps portable to another server.   I'm not
> going to
>     > > involve
>     > >         > Docker at this
>     > >         >         > point.  My main goal is just to see if I can
> create a
>     > > workflow
>     > >         > of many
>     > >         >         > discrete steps that isn't horribly painful.
> Once we
>     > > see what
>     > >         > these steps
>     > >         >         > turn out to be, then we can worry about server
>     > > portability of
>     > >         > those steps.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         Either way, we want to know about
> running
>     > >         > Browser+Selenium for
>     > >         >         > sure.  And maybe FlashPlayerDebugger or AIR.
> I would
>     > > want to
>     > >         > know, for
>     > >         >         > example, how you debug a failing checkintest
> in a
>     > > Docker
>     > >         > container.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         Thanks,
>     > >         >         >         -Alex
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >         On 2/10/19, 5:18 PM, "OmPrakash
> Muppirala" <
>     > >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
>     > >         >         > wrote:
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >             Alex,
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >             Just to be clear, I am following
> the
>     > steps
>     > > from here
>     > >         > to try
>     > >         >         > and setup a
>     > >         >         >             docker container.
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/wiki/Release-Manager-Notes
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >             Is this doc up to date?
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >             Thanks,
>     > >         >         >             Om
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >             On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 12:02 PM
> OmPrakash
>     > > Muppirala <
>     > >         >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
>     > >         >         >             wrote:
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >         >             > One approach is to have each
> step in
>     > the
>     > > process
>     > >         > spin up a
>     > >         >         > docker image.
>     > >         >         >             > And use docker-compose to run
> each
>     > > step.  All the
>     > >         > images can
>     > >         >         > be made to
>     > >         >         >             > share a common volume where all
> the
>     > > artifacts are
>     > >         > stored
>     > >         >         > across steps.
>     > >         >         >             >
>     > >         >         >             > You are right about the
> networking
>     > issue
>     > > though.
>     > >         > Any
>     > >         >         > network related
>     > >         >         >             > failure that occurs on the host
> machine
>     > > will most
>     > >         > likely
>     > >         >         > occur in the
>     > >         >         >             > docker container.  Although, I
> am not
>     > > clear how we
>     > >         > can
>     > >         >         > guarantee that the
>     > >         >         >             > same issues will not occur on the
>     > > Jenkins server.
>     > >         > I mean,
>     > >         >         > what is special
>     > >         >         >             > about the Jenkins server that
> makes it
>     > > immune to
>     > >         > these
>     > >         >         > networking issues?
>     > >         >         >             >
>     > >         >         >             > Thanks,
>     > >         >         >             > Om
>     > >         >         >             >
>     > >         >         >             > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:48 AM
> Alex
>     > > Harui
>     > >         >         > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
>     > >         >         >             > wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >
>     > >         >         >             >> Again, I don't know anything
> about
>     > > Docker, but
>     > >         > before we
>     > >         >         > spend a lot of
>     > >         >         >             >> time on Docker, I also want to
> point
>     > > out that the
>     > >         > process
>     > >         >         > to create a
>     > >         >         >             >> release cannot really be
> thought of as
>     > > "one
>     > >         > application".
>     > >         >         > It will be a
>     > >         >         >             >> series of "steps" to run.
> How many
>     > > steps
>     > >         > depends on
>     > >         >         > whether we think we
>     > >         >         >             >> can isolate enough stuff via
> Docker to
>     > > be able to
>     > >         > run
>     > >         >         > Docker on the RM's
>     > >         >         >             >> computer instead of some shared
>     > > computer.  On a
>     > >         > shared
>     > >         >         > computer there will
>     > >         >         >             >> be dozens of steps because the
> RM will
>     > > need to
>     > >         > enter
>     > >         >         > passwords to commit
>     > >         >         >             >> stuff.  On a local computer I
> guess
>     > the
>     > > RM can
>     > >         > supply
>     > >         >         > passwords but I think
>     > >         >         >             >> there will be stopping points
> where
>     > the
>     > > Maven
>     > >         > artifacts are
>     > >         >         > deployed and
>     > >         >         >             >> the staging repo is closed, and
>     > another
>     > > stopping
>     > >         > point for
>     > >         >         > the vote.  It
>     > >         >         >             >> seems like Docker works by
> downloading
>     > >         > dependencies.  Given
>     > >         >         > that the
>     > >         >         >             >> problem the RMs had last time
> involved
>     > > downloads
>     > >         > and
>     > >         >         > uploads, why do we
>     > >         >         >             >> think Docker will really solve
> this
>     > for
>     > > creating
>     > >         > releases
>     > >         >         > on local machines?
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >> The reason to do this on a
> shared
>     > > machine is so
>     > >         > that new
>     > >         >         > RMs don't have
>     > >         >         >             >> to do as much setup.  But then I
>     > wonder
>     > > about the
>     > >         >         > efficiency of kicking off
>     > >         >         >             >> that many Docker images.
> Jenkins can
>     > > manage that
>     > >         > already.
>     > >         >         > Does Docker
>     > >         >         >             >> have some sort of similar
> Dashboard or
>     > > would we
>     > >         > use Jenkins
>     > >         >         > to kick off
>     > >         >         >             >> Docker steps?  I can't quite
> picture
>     > > what is the
>     > >         > outermost
>     > >         >         >             >> control/dashboard.
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >> -Alex
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >> On 2/6/19, 11:03 AM, "Harbs" <
>     > >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >>     A quick search turns up
> this:
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://codingsans.com/blog/selenium-with-docker-testing
>     > >         >         >             >> <
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://codingsans.com/blog/selenium-with-docker-testing
>     > >         >         >             >> >
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://www.blazemeter.com/blog/how-to-run-selenium-tests-in-docker
>     > >         >         >             >> <
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://www.blazemeter.com/blog/how-to-run-selenium-tests-in-docker
>     > >         >         >             >> >
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/docker-selenium
>     > >         >         >             >> <
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/docker-selenium
>     > >         >         >             >> >
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >             >>     > On Feb 6, 2019, at 8:59
> PM, Alex
>     > > Harui
>     > >         >         > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>     > >         >         >             >> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >
>     > >         >         >             >>     > Thanks for volunteering
> to try
>     > it
>     > > Om.  IMO,
>     > >         > even more
>     > >         >         > important
>     > >         >         >             >> than Firefox+Flash is
>     > > SomeBrowser+Selenium.  We
>     > >         > may also
>     > >         >         > need to run Adobe
>     > >         >         >             >> AIR's adb.  We could probably
> turn off
>     > > the Flash
>     > >         > tests or
>     > >         >         > replace Flash
>     > >         >         >             >> with AIR.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >
>     > >         >         >             >>     > Thanks,
>     > >         >         >             >>     > -Alex
>     > >         >         >             >>     >
>     > >         >         >             >>     > On 2/6/19, 10:54 AM,
> "Carlos
>     > > Rovira" <
>     > >         >         > carlosrov...@apache.org>
>     > >         >         >             >> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >
>     > >         >         >             >>     >    Hi Om, that would be
> great!
>     > > waiting for
>     > >         > your
>     > >         >         > experience with a
>     > >         >         >             >> that! :)
>     > >         >         >             >>     >
>     > >         >         >             >>     >    El mié., 6 feb. 2019 a
> las
>     > > 19:31,
>     > >         > OmPrakash
>     > >         >         > Muppirala (<
>     > >         >         >             >> bigosma...@gmail.com>)
>     > >         >         >             >>     >    escribió:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> Yes, I agree with Alex
> about
>     > not
>     > > being
>     > >         > able to run
>     > >         >         > UI out of docker
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> containers.  I never
> thought of
>     > > the
>     > >         > checkintests
>     > >         >         > when I made the
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> suggestion.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> The firefox-flash image
> that
>     > > Yishay
>     > >         > pointed out
>     > >         >         > looks promising.
>     > >         >         >             >> I will
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> poke around with it and
> see if
>     > > that works
>     > >         > for us.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> Thanks,
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> Om
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at
> 12:41 AM
>     > > Yishay
>     > >         > Weiss <
>     > >         >         >             >> yishayj...@hotmail.com>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> I’ll let Om or someone
> else
>     > > with docker
>     > >         > experience
>     > >         >         > tell us if
>     > >         >         >             >> this [1] is
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> relevant.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> [1]
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://hub.docker.com/r/beli/firefox-flash/
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > ________________________________
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> From: Alex Harui
>     > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
>     > >         > >
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> Sent: Wednesday,
> February 6,
>     > > 2019
>     > >         > 10:05:54 AM
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> To:
> dev@royale.apache.org
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> Subject: Re: 0.9.6
> Release
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> I don't anything about
> docker,
>     > > but in 15
>     > >         > minutes of
>     > >         >         > reading I ran
>     > >         >         >             >> into
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> this:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     >
> https://www.channelfutures.com/open-source/when-not-to-use-docker-understanding-the-limitations-of-containers
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> Which says: Docker
> can't " Run
>     > >         > applications with
>     > >         >         > graphical
>     > >         >         >             >> interfaces".
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> If you want Royale to
> use
>     > > Docker for
>     > >         > releases, show
>     > >         >         > that it can
>     > >         >         >             >> run
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> checkintests with Flash
> and
>     > the
>     > > Browser.
>     > >         > Then I
>     > >         >         > will look into
>     > >         >         >             >> it more.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> The highest level goal
> is to
>     > > make it as
>     > >         > easy as
>     > >         >         > possible for
>     > >         >         >             >> someone to
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> volunteer to be an RM.
> Any
>     > > requirement
>     > >         > of "install
>     > >         >         > this (Docker,
>     > >         >         >             >> etc) on
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> your computer" is, IMO,
>     > another
>     > > barrier
>     > >         > to entry.
>     > >         >         > Yeah, RMs will
>     > >         >         >             >> have to
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> have Maven installed
> and maybe
>     > > Ant, but
>     > >         > you should
>     > >         >         > already have
>     > >         >         >             >> those
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> installed to be a
>     > committer/PMC
>     > > member.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> That said, a good
> takeaway
>     > from
>     > > the
>     > >         > Docker idea is
>     > >         >         > to try to find
>     > >         >         >             >> a way
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> to
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> make an "Image" of
> whatever we
>     > > end up
>     > >         > with on
>     > >         >         > whatever server we
>     > >         >         >             >> end up
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> using so if the image
> can be
>     > > copied and
>     > >         > used on
>     > >         >         > other servers.
>     > >         >         >             >> I'm not
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> exactly sure how to do
> that
>     > > with Azure,
>     > >         > which hosts
>     > >         >         > my CI
>     > >         >         >             >> server.  I will
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> spend a few more minutes
>     > > researching that.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> I could not quickly
> find any
>     > > way to get a
>     > >         > free VM
>     > >         >         > on Azure or AWS
>     > >         >         >             >> that
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> isn't a
>     > >         > free-trial-start-paying-after-a-year.  So,
>     > >         >         > unless someone
>     > >         >         >             >> comes
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> up
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> with a free server we
> can use
>     > > "forever",
>     > >         > I'm going
>     > >         >         > to just start
>     > >         >         >             >> with my
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> Azure VM.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> -Alex
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> On 2/5/19, 10:59 PM,
> "Carlos
>     > > Rovira" <
>     > >         >         > carlosrov...@apache.org>
>     > >         >         >             >> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    Hi.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    the plan sounds very
> good
>     > to
>     > > me. Just
>     > >         > my 2
>     > >         >         > thoughts on this:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    1.- As I was reading
> I was
>     > > thinking as
>     > >         > well on
>     > >         >         > something like
>     > >         >         >             >> Docker
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> and
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    see Om as well
> thinking on
>     > > the same.
>     > >         > Maybe is
>     > >         >         > the way to this
>     > >         >         >             >> with
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> the
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    actual technology.
> Seems
>     > VMs
>     > > are
>     > >         > stepping out a
>     > >         >         > bit this days
>     > >         >         >             >> in
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> favor
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> of
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    things like Docker.
> Maybe
>     > > the same did
>     > >         > Git over
>     > >         >         > Svn, and today
>     > >         >         >             >> Svn is
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> an
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    old remembrance. I
> must say
>     > > that I
>     > >         > have no
>     > >         >         > experience with
>     > >         >         >             >> Docker, so
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> doing
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    that will require
> acquire
>     > > that
>     > >         > knowledge, but
>     > >         >         > seems it could
>     > >         >         >             >> be worth
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> it.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    2.- Maybe is not
> possible,
>     > > but I want
>     > >         > to propose
>     > >         >         > to do this
>     > >         >         >             >> work I a
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    separate branch, so
> it
>     > could
>     > > be in
>     > >         > parallel to
>     > >         >         > other
>     > >         >         >             >> developments. I
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> think
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    work over develop is
>     > > practical if
>     > >         > there's
>     > >         >         > something tiny that
>     > >         >         >             >> could
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> be
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> done
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    in a commit. But as
> we need
>     > > more than
>     > >         > one, or is
>     > >         >         > a long
>     > >         >         >             >> process (like
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    this), chances are
> to make
>     > > develop
>     > >         > branch
>     > >         >         > unstable and even
>     > >         >         >             >> for some
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> days.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    I think we should
> try to
>     > > avoid that
>     > >         > scenario,
>     > >         >         > and branches are
>     > >         >         >             >> the
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> best
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    way. If we do this
> way,
>     > > we'll benefit
>     > >         > of more
>     > >         >         > reliable develop
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> branch.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    Thanks and good to
> know of
>     > > this plan :)
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    Carlos
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>    El mar., 5 feb. 2019
> a las
>     > > 23:19,
>     > >         > Harbs (<
>     > >         >         >             >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>)
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> escribió:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> I’ve never used Docker
>     > myself,
>     > > but that
>     > >         > might be a
>     > >         >         > good plan.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> On Feb 6, 2019, at
> 12:07 AM,
>     > > OmPrakash
>     > >         > Muppirala <
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> bigosma...@gmail.com>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> I was wondering if we
> can
>     > use
>     > > docker
>     > >         > images to
>     > >         >         > setup and seal
>     > >         >         >             >> the
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> RM
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> environment.  Then
> other RMs
>     > > simply
>     > >         > need to run
>     > >         >         > the image
>     > >         >         >             >> locally
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> and run
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> the release scripts.
> Might
>     > > be easier.
>     > >         > If folks
>     > >         >         > like this plan,
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> I
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> can
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> try
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> to put something
> together.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> Thanks,
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> Om
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019
> at 1:40
>     > > PM Harbs <
>     > >         >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> In a recent
> discussion, it
>     > > looks like
>     > >         > other
>     > >         >         > projects have
>     > >         >         >             >> gotten
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> resources
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> from AWS.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> Whatever service we
> use,
>     > > could setup a
>     > >         > “shared”
>     > >         >         > Royale account
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> that all
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> PMC members could
> have
>     > > access to.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> I don’t know if
> there’s
>     > some
>     > > way we
>     > >         > could
>     > >         >         > leverage Gitlab’s
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> integration
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> pipelines
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/README.html
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> <
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>
>     > >         >         >             >>
>     > >         >         >
>     > >         >
>     > >
>     > https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/README.html
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at
> 11:33
>     > > PM, Alex
>     > >         > Harui
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> Well, the big hole
> in this
>     > > plan is
>     > >         > that I think
>     > >         >         > we have to use
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> someone's
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> personal VM account
> (in
>     > this
>     > > case,
>     > >         > mine).  I
>     > >         >         > can't think of a
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> way
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> we can
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> run interactive
> commands
>     > > like git push
>     > >         > on builds@.
>     > >         >         > But that
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> reminds me
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> to go see what are
> current
>     > > options are
>     > >         > for
>     > >         >         > free/cheap compute
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> servers.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> On 2/5/19, 1:20 PM,
> "Piotr
>     > > Zarzycki" <
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>  Sounds like best
> plan
>     > > ever. Using
>     > >         > the same PC
>     > >         >         > by everyone is
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> awesome!
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>  On Tue, Feb 5,
> 2019, 8:39
>     > > PM Harbs <
>     > >         >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> A big +1 from me!
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Looking forward!
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019,
> at 9:34
>     > > PM, Alex
>     > >         > Harui
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>
> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> wrote:
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> Hi,
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> We are coming up
> on 3
>     > > months since
>     > >         > 0.9.4.  I
>     > >         >         > have finished
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> the
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> changes
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> to get production
> Royale
>     > > modules to
>     > >         > work in
>     > >         >         > Tour De Flex.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >> Lots
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> of
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> other
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> good changes have
> been
>     > > contributed.
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> There were emails
> around
>     > > the 0.9.4
>     > >         > release
>     > >         >         > about others
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> stepping up
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>> to
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> cut the next
> release, but
>     > > that hasn't
>     > >         >         > happened.  I tried and
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> failed to
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> get
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Apache Infra to
> allow us
>     > > to run our
>     > >         > release
>     > >         >         > packaging on the
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>> Jenkins
>     > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> servers.  They
> felt there
>     > > were too
>     > >         > many
>     > >         >         > security concerns
>     > >         >         >             >> with
>     > >         >         >
>     >
>
>
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