You wont have to share your MSDN credentials. You can add me as a user in your Azure account. I should be able to access it.
I can't do it via RDP because cloning an image is done at the Azure level, not at the VM level. Something along these lines: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cse/2018/02/15/copy-custom-vm-images-on-azure/ Thanks Om On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:24 AM Alex Harui <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think I should be giving out my MSDN credentials. If you can > install other shell capabilities or access the image via RDP, go for it. > If there is some secure way to share the image let me know what it is. I > don't know much about Azure. > > -Alex > > On 4/13/20, 12:02 AM, "Yishay Weiss" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Related, as most (all?) of the instructions don’t require anything but > a shell wouldn’t it be easier and faster to access the machine with ssh > [1], rather than using remote desktop? > > [1] > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows-server%2Fadministration%2Fopenssh%2Fopenssh_install_firstuse&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303726403&sdata=sC9JtN12VWCQ7PgzeyWNpn8NlwO1jdDaHbdfuwVjwo0%3D&reserved=0 > > From: Yishay Weiss<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:55 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Prioritize Release Jobs on CI > > Can’t you do that with remote desktop? > > ________________________________ > From: OmPrakash Muppirala <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:51:25 AM > To: Apache Royale Development <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Prioritize Release Jobs on CI > > Alex, > > I believe this is your personal Azure subscription right? Any chance > I can > get access to it so I can try to copy the image out the machine and > redeploy it somewhere else? > > Thanks, > Om > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:18 PM OmPrakash Muppirala < > [email protected]> > wrote: > > > I can help set this up on Azure. Give me some time to work out the > > details? > > > > Thanks, > > Om > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:49 AM Harbs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> OK. Good to know. > >> > >> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 9:45 PM, Alex Harui <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > FWIW, I just looked and the longest job in the release steps so > far is > >> 8 minutes. Most are under 2 minutes. There might be jobs later > that take > >> longer that we haven't run yet. IMO, the issue isn't speed of the > machine, > >> it is just that we are sharing the machine with longer jobs (1 hour > for > >> TourDeFlexMigration). And again, the machine will be idle for > stretches of > >> time while the RM verifies artifacts after each step. > >> > > >> > -Alex > >> > > >> > On 4/12/20, 11:32 AM, "Harbs" <[email protected] <mailto: > >> [email protected]>> wrote: > >> > > >> > Fair enough. > >> > > >> > I expect builds to be somewhere between 10 and 20 times faster > on a > >> powerful machine. > >> > > >> > Yeah. It’s probably going to be a bit of work changing the > server, > >> but probably worth it in the long run. > >> > > >> > I think I’ll try this when I do the next release unless Yishay > wants > >> to work with me on this for this release — but I’m not going to be > able to > >> help until after Passover (i.e. next week). > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Harbs > >> > > >> >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 9:22 PM, Alex Harui <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> The Azure portal says: Standard F2s_v2 (2 vcpus, 4 GiB memory) > >> >> > >> >> I think I am reading changes to the build process in your > >> suggestions. I do not really want to spend more of my time on this > >> process. But if you want to do the work, that's fine with me. > >> >> > >> >> -Alex > >> >> > >> >> On 4/12/20, 10:57 AM, "Harbs" <[email protected] <mailto: > >> [email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto: > >> [email protected]>>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> What kind of horsepower is included in the free Azure account? > >> >> > >> >> The server I mentioned builds (considerably) faster than my own > >> local machine. The ci server seems to build many times slower. > >> >> > >> >> One thing we can do to minimize running server time would be to > >> transfer the artifacts to storage instead of keeping them on the > server. On > >> AWS, I’d probably use S3. Not sure what the similar service on > Azure is > >> called. > >> >> > >> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Alex Harui > <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> OK, that's pretty much how I understand Azure as well. The key > thing > >> is that "running" includes time where the CI server is not running > any > >> Jenkins jobs. The CI Server steps might take only a few hours of > actual > >> server time, but there is time where the RM is verifying artifacts > locally > >> so you'd be paying for that or the RM would have to keep shutting > down and > >> restarting. > >> >>> > >> >>> Seems like it would be cheaper/simpler to get the free MSDN > account > >> and leave it running. > >> >>> > >> >>> -Alex > >> >>> > >> >>> On 4/12/20, 10:15 AM, "Harbs" <[email protected] <mailto: > >> [email protected]>> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> My experience is with AWS. > >> >>> > >> >>> I assume Microsoft has similar offerings, but I don’t have > >> experience with Azure. > >> >>> > >> >>> AWS has on-demand EC2 instances which you pay for only the > actual > >> time that they are running.[1] > >> >>> > >> >>> Instances can be started and stopped via command line (or via > the > >> web interface) as long as you have valid credentials to do so. > >> >>> > >> >>> For example: an m5.4xlarge instance has 16 cores and costs > about > >> $1.5 per hour. On a machine like that, a full build would probably > take > >> less than 10 minutes. It’s probably possible to do a full release > with only > >> a few hours of server time. > >> >>> > >> >>> Leaving a server like that running all the time would get > expensive, > >> but if it’s just spun up for releases, you’d get very fast builds > at a > >> reasonable price. > >> >>> > >> >>> I’d be happy to pay $10-$50 (and possibly more) per release to > make > >> the release process painless for the RM. > >> >>> > >> >>> [1] > >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303726403&sdata=EyaZ2qgR4pX3JWE5YFr6Ze38L53aPT5VRNMW5pPpLxw%3D&reserved=0 > >> < > >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303726403&sdata=EyaZ2qgR4pX3JWE5YFr6Ze38L53aPT5VRNMW5pPpLxw%3D&reserved=0 > >> >< > >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303726403&sdata=EyaZ2qgR4pX3JWE5YFr6Ze38L53aPT5VRNMW5pPpLxw%3D&reserved=0 > >> < > >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303726403&sdata=EyaZ2qgR4pX3JWE5YFr6Ze38L53aPT5VRNMW5pPpLxw%3D&reserved=0 > >> >>< > >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303736397&sdata=DqPTaehUf%2BOiwMfu9jJ%2B6ftsInmiyYYccO6bRT%2BzYTs%3D&reserved=0 > >> < > >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303736397&sdata=DqPTaehUf%2BOiwMfu9jJ%2B6ftsInmiyYYccO6bRT%2BzYTs%3D&reserved=0 > >> >< > >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303736397&sdata=DqPTaehUf%2BOiwMfu9jJ%2B6ftsInmiyYYccO6bRT%2BzYTs%3D&reserved=0 > >> < > >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faws.amazon.com%2Fec2%2Fpricing%2Fon-demand%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cd6686c50bc5a47593a2c08d7df78952a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637223581303736397&sdata=DqPTaehUf%2BOiwMfu9jJ%2B6ftsInmiyYYccO6bRT%2BzYTs%3D&reserved=0 > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Alex Harui > <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'm not very experienced with spinning up servers. The CI > server we > >> are using is effectively free, based on a generous donation from > Microsoft > >> of MSDN accounts to ASF committers. So I leave it up 24/7, and > share the > >> RDP access on private@. I think any other ASF committer could do > the > >> same. IIRC, if that server actually is stopped, I have to use my > personal > >> (unshared) MSDN credentials to start it again. AIUI, if I > actually paid > >> for the server, it would cost me to leave it running even if it > didn't run > >> jobs between releases. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Is that what you are basically saying? I think it might be > best if > >> another committer got a CI server going via the MS donation and > could leave > >> it up 24/7. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -Alex > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On 4/12/20, 9:28 AM, "Harbs" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I’m willing to do this. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Considering that the release will be run infrequently, it > should be > >> doable to have a relatively powerful server that could be spun up on > >> demand. This is something I have setup for my own releases. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> The only complication would be that each RM would need valid > >> credentials to spin up the server. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Harbs > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:10 PM, Alex Harui > <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> A better solution, IMO, is for someone else to offer up a CI > server > >> only for release jobs. > >> > >> > > > >
