Chris, Your doubts related to that page are based on discussion with someone or some document? Please share - especially those related to no follow links.
If I remember correctly we have asked somewhere about that page when it was created. You can search the archive if you are concerned about it. Anyone remember discussion where we asked about it? No follow - it means that even email cannot open in a default email software? :) Thanks for input, Piotr On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 12:31 PM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote: > Well we were having doubts. > > It seems that Apache sort of tolerates these pages (All links should be > "nofollow" ... I think you should perhaps adjust your page a bit regarding > this) > Guess the problem is that commercial-support is "commercial" and Apache is > a non-profit organization. We would be allowed to do that, but it's the > requirement that all requests are handled equally and project involvement > has no impact on if you will be listed or not. > So we would need to vote and establish a process that would be equal for > everyone, even the PMCs. > Therefore we started with accepting applications as PRs via Github (This > way we have some responsibility on file) even the ones from project members > and don't merg our own changes. > > We didn't do it so-far as we know there are some companies just using > PLC4X and wanting to promote their "industrialness" by being listed there. > But what you folks did, with listing the project involvement, might be a > way to go. > > So if some stranger would come and say "List me" he'll just show up with > empty involvement. So I like that idea. > > Chris > > PS: I would suggest you formally vote on a process of listing people (even > if it's just "we'll add anyone") and also you should make all links > nofollow links. > > > > Am 04.06.20, 12:01 schrieb "Andrew Wetmore" <cottag...@gmail.com>: > > If we were getting thousands of requests to be listed, setting up a > voting > structure might make sense. At the moment, however, it would be more > structure than we need. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:08 AM Piotr Zarzycki < > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > We didn't have any vote if someone wanted to be added. I think our > project > > is bad example to think in a way of voting. It would be very > individual. We > > knew all people who wanted to be on that page, we didn't expect that > there > > will be someone from totally outside specialized in migration to > Royale, > > someone who is silent on that list. > > > > Just look into your project and find the answer there - do you think > you > > will have request to adding to your page from someone who you do not > know > > from the list ? - If the answer is NO - you probably don't need vote. > > > > What's more in my opinion I would be against vote anyway whoever > would like > > to be on such page in case of Royale. > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 8:59 AM Christofer Dutz < > christofer.d...@c-ware.de> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Piotr, > > > > > > I was more asking if there is any vote on this ... or is anyone > added > > > without checks or discussion? > > > I'm not asking cause I want to be added ... I'm asking cause I > would be > > > interested on how you folks decided to do this. > > > As I mentioned, we want to implement something similar for PLC4X. > > > > > > And I would be interested in hearing what you're experience with > this is > > > in general. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > Am 04.06.20, 08:39 schrieb "Piotr Zarzycki" < > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com > > >: > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > > > I'm not entirely sure what do you ask. However in case of > adding > > > entries > > > you need to take on the list as I asked for a change. Our > website is > > > unfortunately based on WordPress so someone has to add that. > Carlos > > is > > > pretty quick with that, so I asked him. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Piotr > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 8:18 AM Christofer Dutz < > > > christofer.d...@c-ware.de> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Sending this again as my last one didn't seem to make it > through > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > glad you brought this up .. I didn't know there was this page > > (Found > > > it > > > > quite hard to reach) > > > > We were discussing doing something similar in PLC4X. > > > > > > > > We currently decided to add an "adopters" page ... perhaps > it would > > > be a > > > > good idea to add a royale logo above the table as you're > having the > > > same > > > > "problem" we're currently having with our list ... if > someone posts > > > a link > > > > to that page, most chat tools expand this to the first logo, > which > > > is the > > > > "Bowler Hat" logo ... > > > > > > > > How is the experience with this? Are there many requests > coming in? > > > We > > > > were a little hesitant in PLC4X. > > > > What's the process on adding entries? Do I just send an > email and > > > that's > > > > added or is there any PMC voting going on? > > > > Just asking cause we're interested in doing something > similar. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 03.06.20, 19:23 schrieb "Piotr Zarzycki" < > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > Hi Carlos, > > > > > > > > Would you be able to change commercial support page in > > following > > > way. > > > > > > > > 1) In section "Name" add under Prominic.NET in the > second line > > > > Moonshine > > > > IDE link https://moonshine-ide.com/ > > > > 2) In section "Contact Email" change to > > sa...@moonshine-ide.com > > > > 3) Short Description: Could you make as a link following > > sentence > > > > "porting > > > > Apache Flex applications to Apache Royale" -> > > > > https://moonshine-ide.com/flex-migration/ > > > > > > > > Would it be possible to make all of those changes ? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Piotr > > > > > > > > czw., 8 sie 2019 o 10:48 Carlos Rovira < > > carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > BowlerHat / Josh Tynjala entry was added to the list > too :) > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > El mié., 7 ago. 2019 a las 21:43, Andrew Wetmore (< > > > > cottag...@gmail.com>) > > > > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > That looks very good, with the list of providers > above the > > > > qualifications > > > > > > for getting added to the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:18 PM Yishay Weiss < > > > > yishayj...@hotmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to hear Carlos, thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 7:57:58 PM > > > > > > > To: dev@royale.apache.org <dev@royale.apache.org> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Royale Commercial Support Page (was: > Fwd: > > AIR > > > and > > > > Royale) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Piotr, Yshay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entry is now added and published :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El mié., 7 ago. 2019 a las 8:07, Piotr Zarzycki (< > > > > > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) > > > > > > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carlos, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yishay send you logo off the list. Is it ok ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Piotr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pon., 5 sie 2019 o 11:32 Piotr Zarzycki < > > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! I'm ok! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pon., 5 sie 2019 o 11:13 Yishay Weiss < > > > > yishayj...@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Actually, please add a + before the phone > number so > > it > > > > links to > > > > > > Skype. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Piotr, are u ok with being added? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> ________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> From: Yishay Weiss <yishayj...@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 12:09:40 PM > > > > > > > > >> To: dev@royale.apache.org < > dev@royale.apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> Subject: RE: Royale Commercial Support Page > (was: > > > Fwd: AIR > > > > and > > > > > > Royale) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Looks good to me. Thanks. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> ________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> From: Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 12:00:08 PM > > > > > > > > >> To: dev@royale.apache.org < > dev@royale.apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: Royale Commercial Support Page > (was: > > > Fwd: AIR > > > > and > > > > > > Royale) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Yeah! sorry :) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > https://royale.codeoscopic.com/royale-commercial-support/ > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> El lun., 5 ago. 2019 a las 10:49, Yishay > Weiss (< > > > > > > > yishayj...@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > >) > > > > > > > > >> escribió: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >ok, you can check here the addition before > > publish. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Was there supposed to be a link? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > El lun., 5 ago. 2019 a las 10:10, Yishay > Weiss (< > > > > > > > > yishayj...@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > >> >) > > > > > > > > >> > escribió: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > I’ll try to find one. Thanks! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > > From: Carlos Rovira < > carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 10:59:51 AM > > > > > > > > >> > > To: dev@royale.apache.org < > > dev@royale.apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: Royale Commercial Support > Page > > (was: > > > Fwd: > > > > AIR and > > > > > > > > Royale) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi Yishay, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > I'm adding it. Could you provide a better > logo? > > > > > > > > >> > > (LOGO (if applies) (PNG, background > transparent, > > > good > > > > > resolution > > > > > > > (at > > > > > > > > >> > least > > > > > > > > >> > > above 800px)) > > > > > > > > >> > > thanks > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > El lun., 5 ago. 2019 a las 9:23, Yishay > Weiss (< > > > > > > > > >> yishayj...@hotmail.com>) > > > > > > > > >> > > escribió: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Apache Royale contributor(s): Piotr > Zarzycki > > > > (committer and > > > > > > PMC > > > > > > > > >> > member), > > > > > > > > >> > > > Yishay Weiss (committer and PMC member). > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > > > From: Yishay Weiss > > > > > > > > >> > > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 10:17:52 AM > > > > > > > > >> > > > To: dev@royale.apache.org < > > > dev@royale.apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Subject: RE: Royale Commercial Support > Page > > > (was: > > > > Fwd: AIR > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> Royale) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Carlos, please add Prominic as well. > Thanks. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Name: Prominic.NET > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Short Description: Prominic.NET is a > > home-grown, > > > > US-based > > > > > > > hosting > > > > > > > > >> > > services > > > > > > > > >> > > > provider, providing services and > support to > > > > businesses all > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> > > world. > > > > > > > > >> > > > Among its products is the Moonshine IDE > which > > is > > > > targeted > > > > > > > > >> specifically > > > > > > > > >> > at > > > > > > > > >> > > > Apache Flex and Apache Royale. Our team > > includes > > > > Royale > > > > > > > > specialists > > > > > > > > >> > with > > > > > > > > >> > > > experience in porting Apache Flex > applications > > > to > > > > Apache > > > > > > Royale. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Logo: > > > > https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgH-0pVQ5zPPxAevfQfnGMANlj0b > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Website URL: https://prominic.net/ > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Contact Person: Yishay Weiss > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Contact Email: yishayj...@hotmail.com > <mailto: > > > > > > > > yishayj...@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Contact Phone: 972524512113 > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > > > From: Andrew Wetmore < > cottag...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 3:35:40 PM > > > > > > > > >> > > > To: Carlos Rovira < > carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Cc: dev@royale.apache.org < > > > dev@royale.apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: Royale Commercial Support > Page > > > (was: > > > > Fwd: AIR > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> Royale) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > I have made a bunch of small text > changes. > > This > > > is a > > > > useful > > > > > > > > >> tutorial! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 9:59 PM Andrew > > Wetmore < > > > > > > > > cottag...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I will do a text review early > tomorrow. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:54 PM Carlos > > Rovira > > > < > > > > > > > > >> > carlosrov...@apache.org > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Hi! > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> New commercial support page is ready > and > > > published. > > > > > > Andrew, I > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > >> > some > > > > > > > > >> > > > of > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> the texts from other apache webs, but > > anyway > > > some > > > > review > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > >> > part > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> would be great! :) > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > https://royale.apache.org/royale-commercial-support/ > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Anyone that wants to be listed, > please > > follow > > > > > > instructions!! > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> El vie., 7 jun. 2019 a las 15:51, > Andrew > > > Wetmore (< > > > > > > > > >> > > cottag...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >> > > > >) > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> escribió: > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> This is s great idea > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 6:24 AM Carlos > > Rovira, > > > < > > > > > > > > >> > carlosrov...@apache.org > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > Hi, > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > I'll be creating a page on the > website > > in > > > the > > > > > following > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > >> > with a > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> list of > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > third party providers that offers > > > commercial > > > > support > > > > > for > > > > > > > > >> Apache > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> Royale, in > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > the lines we saw in the links > shared by > > > Dave > > > > Fisher as > > > > > > > > >> examples > > > > > > > > >> > in > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> other > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > Apache products. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > It could be companies or > individuals. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > Anyone that wants to be listed, > please > > > share > > > > here the > > > > > > > > >> following > > > > > > > > >> > > data: > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > * NAME > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > * SHORT DESCRIPTION (if applies) > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > * LOGO (if applies) (PNG, > background > > > > transparent, good > > > > > > > > >> resolution > > > > > > > > >> > > (at > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> least > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > above 800px) > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > * WEBSITE URL > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > * CONTACT PERSON (in case of > individual > > > can be > > > > same as > > > > > > > NAME) > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > * EMAIL OF CONTACT > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > * PHONE OF CONTACT > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > * APACHE ROYALE CONTRIBUTOR (if > the > > > company or > > > > > > individual > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > >> > > people > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > contributing to this project, or > if is > > an > > > > individual > > > > > > > > >> contributes > > > > > > > > >> > to > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> this > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > project) > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > thanks > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > ---------- Forwarded message > --------- > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > De: Carlos Rovira < > > > carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > If you consider this ok, I can > create a > > > thread > > > > so > > > > > > > companies > > > > > > > > >> that > > > > > > > > >> > > want > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> to be > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > listed, can express they want to, > and I > > > can > > > > create a > > > > > > page > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> our > > > > > > > > >> > > site > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> with > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > the logos and urls and maybe more > > (contact > > > > person?, > > > > > ...) > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > thanks > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > -- > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Andrew Wetmore > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > > > > > > >> > > > Andrew Wetmore > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > -- > > > > > > > > >> > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > >> > > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > > > >> > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > >> > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > >> Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > >> http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patreon: * > https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki > > > > > > > > > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki > > > > > > > > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Andrew Wetmore > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > > > > > > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki > > > > <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Andrew Wetmore > > http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ > >
