Hi Shindig team,

At Apache Rave (Incubating) we're embedding and extending the shindig-server module and build our own rave-shindig war using a war overlay configuration.

While that kind of works for now, using the current Shindig server war module as an overlay isn't really optimal, as Maven cannot do (transitive) dependency resolution analysis on war modules.

Effectively this means we'll either have to exclude all embedded jars within the shindig-server war and then manually (re)define the same dependencies ourselves again, or we have to (at least) manually check and trace the shindig-server internal dependencies and do our own sanity check on them. The latter really is dangerous as it easily can lead to 'duplicate jars' hell...

For the record, at Apache Rave we currently use the latter solution, but in the end that is not maintainable and too easy to break.

In addition to this, the shindig-server also comes with its own sample container code, which means those classes end up directly in the WEB-INF/classes folder of the war. These classes are thereby also completely 'hidden' from our own rave-shindig classpath and thus not 'usable' from a developers perspective (other than forking/cloning them ourselves, and/or excluding them from the war overlay through configuration).

It would be much easier for downstream projects as Apache Rave, or even further down the chain, if the shindig-server module would be a bit more modularized by separating the 'base' war resources, the sample container code and the server war dependencies into separate modules, which then are (re)bundled by the final shindig-server war module.

This would have zero impact on current shindig-server usages (effectively the produced war ends up being the same), but helps downstream projects enormously with a better and more transparent manageable custom Maven shindig configuration.

At Apache Rave we already provide a similar modularization of our rave-portal war module [1] for the same purpose: to make it easier for downstream customizations.

In short, my proposal is the following (and I have a patch ready for review):

a) Move java/server/src/main/java/* (sample container code)
   to new jar module java/sample-container
b) Move java/server/src/main/webapps/*
   to new (shallow) war module java/server-resources
c) Move resources currently merged into server module from ./../content and
   ../../config also into new (shallow) war module java/server-resources
d) Add new pom module java/server-dependencies which (only) defines
   the runtime dependencies needed for the shindig-server module
   Note: this should also add new dependency on shindig-sample-container
e) The remainder of the shindig-server module then only needs to have
   dependencies on the shindig-server-resources (war overlay) and
   shindig-server-dependencies (pom), as well as some needed test only
   dependencies for the remaining "endtoend" unit-tests

The end result of the above will again be a shindig-server war equal to the current shindig-server war but now downstream users can more easily embed and extend it, with proper maven (transitive) dependency resolution support.

The above changes really are quite trivial and will have zero impact for development and current end usages.

If there are no objections for the above proposal, I'll create a JIRA ticket and provide a patch for it for review.

And as Shindig 3.0.0 is close to getting wrapped up, it would be great if this then can be reviewed, and if accepted, be applied before the release tag.

Thanks, Ate
Apache Rave PMC

p.s. A different but more critical topic, I just noticed that the NOTICE and LICENSE files embedded in the shindig-server war (and probably other modules too) are not proper, e.g. completely missing the required 3rd party notices and licenses! I do see better versions of these in the root and the java folder, but these don't end up in the build and released artifacts as they should... I'll follow up on this later (probably tomorrow) in a separate email and see if I can provide a fix/patch for that as well.


[1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/rave/trunk/rave-portal/pom.xml
    [...]/asf/incubator/rave/trunk/rave-portal-resources/pom.xml
    [...]/asf/incubator/rave/trunk/rave-portal-dependencies/pom.xml





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