I dug a bit more into ReplicaPlacement, but it turns out what I think I need is 
variation of 
https://solr.apache.org/guide/solr/latest/configuration-guide/cluster-plugins.html#org-apache-solr-cluster-events-impl-collectionsrepaireventlistener

This lets me pick up node creation/deletion events and do things.   However, 
I'm struggling to get DefaultClusterEventProducer and 
CollectionsRepairEventListener to work well together.   Is anyone else using 
those capablities?



On 2026/03/12 13:40:45 Gus Heck wrote:
> <rant offtopic="slightly">
> 
> Inconsistent terminology in search has irritated me for some time.
> Terminology ought to be standardized (across search software, including
> elastic, OS etc).
> 
> If I were to choose names and define them (ignoring how docs and blogs use
> them otherwise) I would go with:
> 
> *Node*: The instance of a running process that services search requests
> *Server*: The hardware or VM containing the node software (possibly more
> than one node on large servers)
> *Collection*: The set of indexed, retreivable documents sharing a schema,
> this also gets called index especially when talking about standalone or in
> elastic/opensearch. Collection is better because it is clearly distinct
> from the thing lucene writes to disk. (or if you're lucky it's called a
> "logical index" which somewhat clarifies that one is not talking about the
> physical bits on disk, but something at a higher level of abstraction),
> *Corpus*: The set of documents irrespective of whether or not they are
> (yet) indexed.
> *Shard*: The logical slice of a collection, completely detached from any
> physical manifestation. Unfortunately, it often seems to be used to mean
> the first/leader replica) In code this is sometimes also called a Slice
> *Replica*: A physical manifestation of a shard. When there is only one copy
> of a shard we *should* be saying it has one replica. (not zero replicas,
> because this obfuscates the interchangeability of replicas)
> *Index*: The disk representation of the contents of a replica, written by
> and interacted with via Lucene.
> 
> The word core sometimes seems to mean index, sometimes means replica (the
> things held by "CoreContainer" for example) and occasionally seems to get
> used for the entire collection when there is only one shard in a small
> standalone instance. Core is the worst of our terminology because in the
> English language it implies centrality and unity, but in our
> implementation, it actually refers to the leaf node of which we have
> many...  If I could, I would delete the word core from all docs and code.
> Back in 2010 when I first encountered solr, the biggest stumbling block I
> had in understanding Solr was disassociating the English meaning of "core"
> from the way solr uses it.
> 
> The definition in our glossary for core is self contradictory which caused
> me no end of confusion when I was new (and it's still there).. it seems to
> say that "core" is equivalent to "collection" above, but this doesn't match
> anything in code or the rest of the documentation AFICT
> 
> Unfortunately people hate it when you change their words for things, so we
> are unlikely to achieve clarity because many folks will likely oppose
> change.
> 
> </rant>
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2026 at 8:28 AM David Eric Pugh via dev <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
> >  David --> I oddly struggled to write the email cause I was stumbling over
> > my words...   I wasn't sure if I should have said "shard", and how to
> > phrase a collection made up of a single core....   And then copies of that
> > core...    After I read your response, I thought, I should check out the
> > Solr Concepts page and see what it tells me and discovered that we have
> > nothing under Solr Concepts specific to this topic.  I looked up in the
> > glossary "SolrCloud" and it led me to
> > https://solr.apache.org/guide/solr/latest/deployment-guide/cluster-types.html#solrcloud-mode.
> > Only later when I scrolled up in the page did I see the section "Cluster
> > Concepts".   Thoughts on maybe moving that section under the Solr Concepts
> > hierarchy in Ref Guide?  It would have helped me use the right terms!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Wednesday, March 11, 2026 at 06:38:17 PM EDT, David Smiley <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >  An aside:  Remember that the leader is a replica too, so your numbers are
> > off & confusing.  "single shard with no replicas" -- I guessed what you
> > mean but surprised to hear a misuse of SolrCloud lingo from you.  AFAICT,
> > leadership isn't even pertinent to your inquiry either.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2026 at 5:38 PM David Eric Pugh via dev <
> > [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all, I wanted to get some feedback from you'all on a recent usecase I
> > > was asked about.  I suspect the answer will be "Use Solr Operator", but
> > > here goes!
> > > I have an environment where I have 5 or so single shard collections.
> > >  Much of the time I run just a single node and each collection is a
> > single
> > > shard with no replicas.  Sometimes, to support load, I'll add another
> > node
> > > or two.  Then I'll add replicas so cover the new nodes, 1 per node.  So
> > > with three nodes, I have one leader and two replicas.  Add two more
> > nodes,
> > > move to one leader and four replicas.
> > > However, when I remove a node by shutting it down, then Zookeeper never
> > > get's notified about this, and so the replica is listed as down, and the
> > > node is listed as down in red in the UI.  When it isn't really red, it's
> > > just we don't need it for now, and it's not coming back.
> > > I'd like to just declare "For this collection, I want one replica per
> > node
> > > based on however many nodes are current".  I don't want to call the
> > > various commands myself to add replicas and or remove then as nodes are
> > > added or removed.  And I don't want to call various apis or other complex
> > > things when I add or remove a node, I just want bin/solr stop and
> > bin/solr
> > > start to be run ;-).
> > > I think this is what Replica Placement Plugins were for maybe?  Could I
> > > have a Replica Placement strategy that when ZK sees a new node added,
> > then
> > > creates a new replica on it, and vice versa, when a node goes away, it
> > just
> > > removes that replica instead of treating it as "down"?
> > > Thoughts?
> > > Eric
> > >
> >
> 
> 
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