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Loren Wilton writes:
> > Example:  I am currently writing a very FEW rules, some from
> > scratch and some by adapting the work or ideas of others from
> > such lists or web sites.
> >
> > You have all convinced me that if I post a rule for discussion
> > that it is then close to worthless.
> 
> It depends on how you post it.  And it may depend on where you post it.
> 
> We KNOW that posting rules with descriptions of "this hits xxx" in the users
> list will in many cases kill a rule.
> We know that posting the NAME of a rule and saying "it will catch stuff like
> that" does NOT kill the rule.
> We know that saying "look at rule XXX in file blah.cf, it is a check for
> xxx" does NOT kill the rule.
> It is my untested belief that a rule could be posted in full *with no
> explanation of what it catches* and it would probably still be a good rule.
> 
> The trick to killing a rule seems to require three parts, possibly four:
> 1.    Post the actual rule.
> 2.    Explain what it catches.
> 3.    Post it in the right place (user list is known to be a 'right place').
> 4.    Possibly it will need to be a rule catching one of the cleverer
> spammers stuff - one that can read the user's list and follow the
> discussion.  This is undetermined, but a reasonable theory.
> 
> We know that this seemingly will NOT kill a rule:
> 1    Mention the rule name, and even describe what it catches.
> 2    Mention where the rule is located, the name, and describe what it
> catches
> 3    Sometimes at least, posting a rule in full, but NOT describing what it
> catches.
> 
> So rules can be discussed in public.  The tricks are to be either a little
> vague on how the rule works, or to not post the rule body with the
> discussion (refer to where the rule can be found instead), or to not post a
> complete rule body, but give an example and describe modifications needed.
> 
> Another trick that is probably viable is to discuss local rules that have to
> be modified at each shop.  By definition spammers aren't going to target
> these rules for avoidance, since they can't be sure what it will look like
> at your shop, and they probably don't know what your shop is in the first
> place.

I think that's spot on --  I would add a comparison between textual rules
(readable text) and structural rules (matching the structure of the
message).   IMO it's harder for a spammer to realise that a structural
rule will hit their spam, and it's harder for them to evade them.  

(btw I've been saying that for a while before this discussion too ;)

- --j.
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