On Thu, 7 Jan 2021, RW wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 19:50:08 -0800 (PST)
John Hardin wrote:

The rule was looking at X-Spam-Relays-External envfrom= to determine
the envelope sender domain. When running the message in my testbed, I
found that the envfrom= was not populated at all, and this is why the
rule missed.

The envelope sender was available in a Return-Path header.

Not all MTAs put the envelope sender address into the Received header
they generate.

Would it be justified to populate the envfrom= in
X-Spam-Relays-External from Return-Path (and/or potentially
X-Envelope-From) if it's not available in any Received header?

If not, then rules looking at X-Spam-Relays-External envfrom= will
not work reliably in all environments and should be replaced with
checks of Return-Path.

See the documentation for the pseudoheader "EnvelopeFrom".

Rats. Thanks for pointing that out.

Most cases could use that - especially the __FSL_ENVFROM_ rules, which are last-external.

Agreed. I will probably fix those after evaluating the impact of the change.

The only published rule using  "envfrom=" is __ENVFROM_GOOG_TRIX. This
does slightly benefit from going deep. Maybe it could check both

I did that yesterday (checking return-path rather then envelopefrom) when I noticed this.

or be rewritten to allow for SRS in EnvelopeFrom.

I will probably do that now that I know about that header.

Relays-External contains per relay information. I think it should
require a strong reason to depart from that.

Agreed, hence bringing it up for discussion.

An alternative would be an additional AllEnvelopeFrom pseudoheader, but it looks like a very minor problem at the moment.

I don't see a need for that at the moment.

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