For the record, just because it actually comes from the Paypal infrastructure, doesn't mean it is good. Last couple of weeks they have been struggling with scammers using actual Paypal accounts. Fake orders, and using scammers telephone numbers to perpetrate the exfil..

Be on the lookout.

Hard for SA to catch them, but we do keep a list on known scammer telephone numbers..

Wonder if it would be a good service to the community to have a database of bad phone numbers that a query can be made to.. Of course, soon enough they will move to obfuscating those numbers..

Just an idle thought to start the day..

On 2024-11-07 08:51, Kent Oyer wrote:
> Should all paypal email have a return-path/envelope sender address as paypal.com <http://paypal.com/>?

Yes, unless the message was sent through a forwarder. Then the envelope sender will be generated by the forwarding MTA. Also, remember that PayPal has other domains besides paypal.com (paypal.co.uk, paypal.com.mx, etc...)

> DKIM is based on the From address, so if it passes DKIM_VALID_AU, doesn't that mean the From address ([email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>) is authenticated?

Yes

> Can I use spamassassin -D on an email I've already received to confirm DKIM signature?

Yes, as long as the sender hasn't changed their selectors/keys in the meantime.

-Kent

On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 07:56 AM, Alex <[email protected]> wrote:

     > welcomelist_auth *@ paypal.com [2] > blocklist_from *@ paypal.com
    [2] the dkim is imho 100% invalid, there missing important headers
    dkim signed, eg message-id, doh, reuse forgin
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         > welcomelist_auth *@paypal.com <http://paypal.com> [2]
         > blocklist_from *@paypal.com <http://paypal.com> [2]

        the dkim is imho 100% invalid, there missing important headers dkim
        signed, eg message-id, doh, reuse forgin is very simple then


    Should all paypal email have a return-path/envelope sender address
    as paypal.com <http://paypal.com>?

    DKIM is based on the From address, so if it passes DKIM_VALID_AU,
    doesn't that mean the From address ([email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>) is authenticated?

    Can I use spamassassin -D on an email I've already received to
    confirm DKIM signature?

        for spamassassin we could add selector blacklistning to solve
        thease
        cases

        if i get the whole email unedited i can make a yara rule to catch it


    I will forward it to you separately. I'd be interested in hearing
    more about blocking based on DKIM selector.

    Do you have more information on this? I'm aware of yara rules, but
    can you share more about how you would do this as it applies to SA
    and how to create the signatures?

    Is this really any better than reporting to DCC/pyzor/razor and/or
    clamav or other signature services?



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