> On Oct. 31, 2014, 6:57 a.m., Jarek Cecho wrote:
> > client/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/client/SqoopClient.java, line 85
> > <https://reviews.apache.org/r/27330/diff/7/?file=743043#file743043line85>
> >
> >     I do feel that "SUBMITTED" and "STARTED" are two different cases. 
> > Submitted means that we've created the request to start a new job that will 
> > eventually transfer data. Started means that the job has started and is 
> > running now.
> >     
> >     This call will only create that request and will return before the 
> > actuall job will START. I don't see much different on our testing cluster 
> > as Submitted job is started pretty much immediately, however on real 
> > clusters the delay between submission and start can be significant as the 
> > job can be sitting in a scheduler queue for substantial amount of time 
> > before it starts (especially on busy clusters).
> 
> Veena Basavaraj wrote:
>     there are subtle differences, submit and start are used in very different 
> ways. 
>     
>     Think about this from the time we issue a command in the client, going by 
> your explanation the command should be submit. I am utterly confused reading 
> this code and how we have just used started and submitted without much 
> thought.
>     
>     I appreciate if we look at this from the client command / status to the 
> execution engine on what we want to call as submit and what should be start.
> 
> Jarek Cecho wrote:
>     I think that the client and REST API have different audiences that have 
> different requirements. Most of the users don't know nor want to know the 
> diffence between Submit and Start. I feel that the fact that those are two 
> independent steps is pretty much an "implementation detail" from their 
> perspective. On the other hand the connector developper or someone who will 
> integrate with the REST API should know the difference and hence it's exposed 
> there. I believe that this is intentional. 
>     
>     The project do have parts that are meant for different audiences and I 
> think that it's reasonable that different audiences are presented with 
> slightly different point of view. Simplification for users seems as good idea 
> whereas we should say accurate for someone who is extending Sqoop.
> 
> Veena Basavaraj wrote:
>     correct me, I am not confused here.
>     
>     There is SqoopCLient -> so who is the audience for client. My 
> understanding is that anyone can use it. Not retreicted to developer. Using 
> rest/ client is a matter of preference is what I beleive.
>     
>     Second, I do not think different audiences need a different picture, it 
> just makes our coding and rationalizing what we do in sqoop code harder. 
>     
>     Second, what is "most" mean? there are differences in clearly how we use 
> them. submit is like putting it on a queue for it to start. As you clealry 
> artiuclated it, it might start immediately or be delayed. There are error 
> messages when I use a start command,it says I cannot submit the job, what 
> does this indicate?
>     
>     Lets fix this. It might sound very trivial to you, but going forward it 
> will lead to more confusion if one another person joins this team and wants 
> his /her way.
>     
>     The rest api uses the SubmissionStatus I suppose directly and the SQoop 
> client uses its own enum. Why?

see JIRA for details, taking this discussion to new a JIRA and new RB.


- Veena


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On Oct. 30, 2014, 2:08 p.m., Veena Basavaraj wrote:
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> (Updated Oct. 30, 2014, 2:08 p.m.)
> 
> 
> Review request for Sqoop.
> 
> 
> Repository: sqoop-sqoop2
> 
> 
> Description
> -------
> 
> see JIRA and its parent JIRA for details
> 
> All the WS stuff, I will do it in the end once the functionality is reviewd.
> 
> 
> If someone is wondering why START is changed to submit: there are tons of 
> places in the code and in the java docs, we actually mean submit when we say 
> START
> 
>   DRIVER_0008("Invalid combination of submission and execution engines"),
> 
>   DRIVER_0009("Job has been disabled. Cannot submit this job."),
> 
>   DRIVER_0010("Link for this job has been disabled. Cannot submit this job."),
> 
>   DRIVER_0011("Connector does not support specified direction. Cannot submit 
> this job."),
> 
>   ;
> 
> 
> Diffs
> -----
> 
>   client/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/client/SqoopClient.java 33a0c3c 
>   client/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/client/SubmissionCallback.java 
> de7211a 
>   
> client/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/client/request/JobResourceRequest.java 
> 83c08b3 
>   
> client/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/client/request/SqoopResourceRequests.java
>  4a56bb7 
>   
> client/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/client/request/SubmissionResourceRequest.java
>  5055783 
>   common/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/JobBean.java 082d591 
>   common/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/JobsBean.java PRE-CREATION 
>   common/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/JsonBean.java ba86511 
>   common/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/LinksBean.java 5858a18 
>   common/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/SubmissionBean.java 4b80338 
>   common/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/SubmissionsBean.java 
> PRE-CREATION 
>   common/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/model/MLink.java 7a9f538 
>   common/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/model/MSubmission.java 7290df5 
>   common/src/test/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/TestJobBean.java 1fc8dbd 
>   common/src/test/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/TestLinkBean.java 811cbf0 
>   common/src/test/java/org/apache/sqoop/json/TestSubmissionBean.java e4d50bf 
>   
> connector/connector-generic-jdbc/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/connector/jdbc/GenericJdbcPartitioner.java
>  2411169 
>   
> connector/connector-generic-jdbc/src/test/java/org/apache/sqoop/connector/jdbc/TestPartitioner.java
>  3ae64f0 
>   core/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/driver/JobManager.java f6447c6 
>   core/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/repository/JdbcRepository.java 2aeb07e 
>   core/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/repository/JdbcRepositoryHandler.java 
> ad380d3 
>   core/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/repository/Repository.java 79742b9 
>   
> repository/repository-derby/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/repository/derby/DerbyRepositoryHandler.java
>  b996a0b 
>   
> repository/repository-derby/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/repository/derby/DerbySchemaInsertUpdateDeleteSelectQuery.java
>  c894d06 
>   
> repository/repository-derby/src/test/java/org/apache/sqoop/repository/derby/TestSubmissionHandling.java
>  4c2d062 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/handler/ConnectorRequestHandler.java 
> 5694ea5 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/handler/JobRequestHandler.java 
> 5547988 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/handler/LinkRequestHandler.java 
> 35a9635 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/handler/SubmissionRequestHandler.java 
> 8555b0c 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/server/RequestHandler.java 508edd2 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/server/v1/JobServlet.java d295237 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/server/v1/JobsServlet.java 
> PRE-CREATION 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/server/v1/LinkServlet.java 127903a 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/server/v1/SubmissionServlet.java 
> 5c1d883 
>   server/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/server/v1/SubmissionsServlet.java 
> PRE-CREATION 
>   server/src/main/webapp/WEB-INF/web.xml 6ad90d2 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/AbortCommand.java PRE-CREATION 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/ShowJobStatusFunction.java 
> PRE-CREATION 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/SqoopShell.java 2e87965 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/StartCommand.java 7c56980 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/StartJobFunction.java 4363f05 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/StatusCommand.java 3447a87 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/StatusJobFunction.java fb83af3 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/StopCommand.java 50b2e81 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/StopJobFunction.java 790c522 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/SubmitCommand.java PRE-CREATION 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/SubmitJobFunction.java 
> PRE-CREATION 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/UpdateJobFunction.java dd075d7 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/UpdateLinkFunction.java 176833a 
>   shell/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/shell/core/Constants.java 44d5920 
>   shell/src/main/resources/shell-resource.properties 0e63c50 
>   test/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/test/testcases/ConnectorTestCase.java 
> af31769 
>   
> test/src/test/java/org/apache/sqoop/integration/connector/jdbc/generic/FromRDBMSToHDFSTest.java
>  36f7443 
>   tools/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/tools/tool/RepositoryDumpTool.java 
> c219e68 
>   tools/src/main/java/org/apache/sqoop/tools/tool/RepositoryLoadTool.java 
> 64b08fc 
> 
> Diff: https://reviews.apache.org/r/27330/diff/
> 
> 
> Testing
> -------
> 
> yes
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Veena Basavaraj
> 
>

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