Hi Rupert,
Am 26.05.2013 23:30, schrieb Rupert Westenthaler:
Lets discuss those adaptions here on the list!
yes, that was my intention. Can I update the intro text of NIF at
http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/
and include Apache Stanbol as a project NLP2RDF has a working liaison with?
There is no formal commitment bound to it, except the allowance to cross
post questions concerning NIF and Stanbol on both projects mailing lists.
We already called the profile NIF Stanbol in the scientific paper, as it
seemed to be the only sensible way to model these kind of annotations,
anyhow ;)
I am assuming that the whole endeavor will take some weeks as well as
some emails, but we don't need to hustle.
The problem is, if Stanbol moves to Open Annotation completely, NIF will
need to fill this gap and create a model that is similar to the way Stanbol
works now.
I do not see Stanbol moving in the direction of Open Annotation
because of the reasons stated in my earlier mail. NIF seams to be much
more in line with the goals of Stanbol. The Nlp2Rdf Engine [1] even
now provides some preliminary support for converting Stanbol NLP
results (as described by the AnalyzedText content part) to RDF.
Organizationally, we will hopefully be able to convert NIF Stanbol to
the NIF OA profile later. This will probably require a turing complete
implementation, rules such as SWRL or SPARQL CONSTRUCT might not be
sufficient.
Here are some initial questions:
1. NIF requires only the input and output to adhere to NIF. Creating
such a serialization first should not interfere with any client
implementations, so we can proceed going in this direction right now.
2. The FISE ontology uses http://fise.iks-project.eu/ontology/ . Can we
move this to Apache and guarantee persistence?
All the best,
Sebastian
best
Rupert
[1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/stanbol/trunk/enhancement-engines/nlp2rdf/
This is why I started this issue.
All the best,
Sebastian
To my understanding "Stanbol Enhancement Structure" is supposed to
describe
which ontological terms and construct are used to describe their
enhancements.
Cheers,
Reto
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Sebastian Hellmann <
hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
Hello Reto,
ah yes, I read up on some of the Apache procedures to see how you are
working and I see now that the mailing list is the most important means
of
communication here. Thanks for pointing me to the issue. In principle,
do
you want me to comment here or in the issue tracker?
Regarding the different models:
First of all alignment should happen with the "Open Annotation Data
Model":
http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#
This is the most current version. Annotation Ontology was merged into it.
I really recommend grounding any work on their model, as it is really
good
and powerful. I am not sure however, whether, it provides the right level
of scalability for NLP.
Looking at: http://de.slideshare.net/**paolociccarese/open-**
annotation-specifiers-and-**specific-resources-tutorial<http://de.slideshare.net/paolociccarese/open-annotation-specifiers-and-specific-resources-tutorial>
There are 3 important things missing:
- inclusion of the actual text in the web service request
- providing best practices for identifiers, e.g.
http://purl.org/olia/penn.owl#**DT <http://purl.org/olia/penn.owl#DT>
- reducing the number of URNs and triples
This is where NIF comes in. (If you are in doubt, please try to create an
OA example where a simple sentence is POS annotated over a web service).
Regarding Ruperts problem with backward compatibility.
In a first step, it should be enough to build an RDF parser/serializer
based on the new OWL file.
I didn't yet understand, what is meant exactly by "Stanbol Enhancement
Structure"[1].
Is this the OWL file for serializing annotations (e.g. for use in SPARQL)
or does it describe the internal structure of the Stanbol Java Framework?
I think the second one can stay as it is for now and then the new
structure should be created (as serialization format) meanwhile with the
clear aim to replace the former in the future. This would give all
clients
enough time to adapt.
What do you think?
All the best,
Sebastian
[1] http://stanbol.apache.org/**docs/trunk/components/**
enhancer/enhancementstructure.**html<http://stanbol.apache.org/docs/trunk/components/enhancer/enhancementstructure.html>
Am 23.05.2013 14:12, schrieb Reto Bachmann-Gmür:
Hi Sebastian
Are you aware of
https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/STANBOL-351<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/STANBOL-351>
?
Rtaher than doing telcos we should discus things on the list.
Cheers,
Reto
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Sebastian Hellmann <
hellm...@informatik.uni-**leipzig.de
<hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>>
wrote:
Hi all,
we created an OWL schema called NLP Interchange Format(NIF), which
leverages Apache Stanbols FISE ontology.
Recent documentation is here:
http://svn.aksw.org/papers/****2013/ISWC_NIF/public.pdf<http://svn.aksw.org/papers/**2013/ISWC_NIF/public.pdf>
<http:**//svn.aksw.org/papers/2013/**ISWC_NIF/public.pdf<http://svn.aksw.org/papers/2013/ISWC_NIF/public.pdf>
Personally, I think the general structure (using URN for each
annotation)
is quite good, but I am a little bit unhappy with some facts:
1. URL persistence: when will the FISE ontology move from IKS to the
Apache Stanbol namespace. In my opinion, sooner is better. The longer
it
is
out there, the more side effects it will cause:
http://xkcd.com/1172/
2. Some issues need discussions and some streamlining. I would be happy
to
be of assistance and would offer to hold some Ontology telcos to get it
straight.
http://svn.apache.org/repos/****asf/stanbol/trunk/enhancer/**<http://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/stanbol/trunk/enhancer/**>
generic/servicesapi/src/main/****resources/fise.owl<http://**
svn.apache.org/repos/asf/**stanbol/trunk/enhancer/**
generic/servicesapi/src/main/**resources/fise.owl<http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/stanbol/trunk/enhancer/generic/servicesapi/src/main/resources/fise.owl>
e.g.
- start and end have xsd:int limiting it to a 4GB text file
- extracted-from might not need to be functional. Also there might be a
relation to prov:wasDerivedFrom
These issues all need discussion however.
Any ideas on how to proceed?
All the best,
Sebastian
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