Hi Noah, Few clarification,
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > Here's the breakdown of our recruitment: > > July > > Batch addition of 6 people, all with WSO2 history (I believe) > AFAIK, we haven't finalized this vote and did not added them to the PMC. So this 6 people out of the PMC list. > > August > > Manula Chathurika Thantriwatte (WSO2, no IPMC notice) > Udara Liyanage (WSO2) > > September > > Imesh Gunaratne (WSO2) > > November > > Pradeep Fernando (WSO2) > > December > > Chris Snow (external) > > February > > Melan Nimesh (WSO2) > > People the IPMC were not directly notified about: > > - Manula Chathurika Thantriwatte > - Udara Liyanage > - Imesh Gunaratne > - Pradeep Fernando > - Melan Nimesh > - Jason Daly > > Please make sure you notify the IPMC every time you add a PMC member. > If you fail to notify the board in a similar fashion once you are a > TLP, your PMC members will not, in fact, be PMC members. :) > > Its my bad, I missed out them. Thanks for point out, will fix it. > cf. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html > > People who were not announced: > > - Melan Nimesh (WSO2) > > Why wasn't Melan announced? > > *** > > The concern in November was that the PMC was too homogenous, and that > a good goal for the podling would be to diversify a bit and bring on > some external contributors to the PMC. > > Since that discussion, we've added two PMC members. One of those PMC > members is not affiliated with WSO2, bringing the total number of > non-WSO2 PMC members to one out of 12. > > (I understand that we have some outstanding internal nominations, but > until they are announced, we cannot count them to the total, and > should not be talking about them on the dev@ list.) > > So that question again: > > "Is the PMC having issues recognising non-WSO2 merit?" > > The number of non-WSO2 PMC members is 1/12 (or 8%) so I still think > that's a fair question. And I think I want to see a bit more progress > in this area before I am comfortable with Stratos graduating. > All together we have done 9 votes, 6 for wso2 and 3 for non-wso2. (I know some are still not announced but all vote are finalized, hence the current status) > > I'd like to hear from the folks who shared my concern in November. > Does our adding one non-WSO2 PMC member in the intervening time > assuage your concerns? > > I'm happy that there has been effort to recognise non-WSO2 merit. I > know because I have seen it. But I think we need a bit more time to > see how this new approach plays out. I'd like to see the proof in the > pudding, and not jump to hasty conclusions. > > Not sure what the "go fetch me a rock" comment is about. I think I've > made my *single* concern quite explicit in this thread. Though > apologies if there is some aspect of my communication which is > unclear. > > On 27 November 2013 19:04, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are two ways to approach this: > > > > 1. Encourage more participation. Examine how we're operating as a > > project and figure out if there are ways we can be more inclusive, or > > whether there are things we can do that would attract more people to > > participate. (Sounds like this is already being done, but can we be > > better?) > > > > 2. Look at how we are recognising merit. Is there anyone on the PMC > > right now who is monitoring the dev@ list with an eye to nominate? If > > not, let's set that up. And let's discuss what it means to be a > > committer. Check out the Apache Forrest approach to this. > > > > http://forrest.apache.org/committed.html > > > > I think, in general, it's good to be aggressively focused on > > recruitment, now, and going forward. > > > > If someone shows and interest, give them a commit bit, and see what > > they do. We have a time machine (VCS) that lets us correct most > > damage. And you should see how much an election to committer can > > motivate people to contribute! > > On 28 November 2013 18:16, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > A nice idea might be for some of the committers to write a "Getting > > Started" guide for contributors. You could point to self-contained > > areas of the code, or bits that contributing to does not require too > > much pre-existing knowledge. Another idea is to have a JIRA field > > where you can flag the difficulty of the feature, so that people can > > choose "easy", "medium", or "hard" depending on experience with the > > codebase. > > How much of this has happened? > > On 23 March 2014 05:59, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Show some evidence for what? > > > > > > You said: "My concern is that the PMC might be having some issues > > recognising non-WSO2 merit". > > It would be better if you can give some examples of why you think that > the > > Stratos PMC might be having some issues recognizing non-WSO2 merit, > because > > I personally don't think that statement is correct, and I am sure most > > others including non-WSO2 PMC members would agree with me. > > > >> > >> I've not stated any conclusions. I am > >> asking a question: given our concerns about committer diversity in > >> November, does the PMC feel like we have made adequate progress? > >> > >> If no, what do we plan to do about it? If yes, what is the > justification? > >> > >> Aside from Lakmal's response just now, I find it a little puzzling > >> that nobody has given a straight answer to this. The only real reply > >> to this question has been to challenge it's premise: that this isn't > >> important. > >> > >> Also note: if there is an agreement that there are no candidates that > >> have been overlooked (even if we take into account non-code > >> contributions) then that still leaves us with a question: are we doing > >> everything we can to attract contributions? > >> > >> > >> On 23 March 2014 03:59, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Sanjiva, > >> >> > >> >> That's great! But the other things Stratos is doing right are > >> >> orthogonal > >> >> issues. > >> >> > >> >> I'm not proposing that we nominate people randomly. That's a > strawman. > >> >> But I've been told on this thread that we've seen a lot more > >> >> participation since Novemeber. But we've only had three additional > >> >> committer elections. So what's going on there? > >> >> > >> >> My concern is that the PMC might be having some issues recognising > >> >> non-WSO2 merit. > >> > > >> > > >> > Noah, can you please go through the mail archives and list down a few > >> > deserving non-WSO2 contributors who the PMC has failed to nominate for > >> > committership? Rather than theorizing, it would be nice if you can > show > >> > some > >> > evidence. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Noah Slater > >> https://twitter.com/nslater > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Afkham Azeez > > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com, > > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > > > > email: [email protected] cell: +94 77 3320919 > > blog: http://blog.afkham.org > > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez > > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez > > > > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware > > > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater > -- Lakmal Warusawithana Software Architect; WSO2 Inc. Mobile : +94714289692 Blog : http://lakmalsview.blogspot.com/
