Martin,
I love ya man :-) I can say that. I'm secure in my masculinity and you and I have shared private banter. Ok, maybe it's been a while since we shared private banter - but we did it! :-P
I think Ted's point is that a person shouldn't vote to go ahead with a release unless they've been able to test it first-hand. I believe it would be well within a committer's right to veto a release if they felt it were premature. At least, under the Tomcat policies it would :-)
Eddie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: When is a release ready for primetime (was [VOTE] HTTPD ...)
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:30:20 -0400, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:05:10 -0500, Joe Germuska wrote: > > What I do think we've been doing wrong is rushing to vote on a > release right after it is cut. As I noted before, from the > framework we've laid out, I would consider it totally normal for us > to change (upward) the status of a release from test/alpha to beta > to GA. In fact, I might even say that once we verify that a > release is not fundamentally flawed, we should have a mandatory > cooling off period before it would be appropriate to make a vote.
Something that is mentioned in the HTTP guidelines is that before certifying a release GA, "... the group has liked to see approximately 48-72 hours of usage in production to certify that the release is functional in the real world."
Personally, I think this would be a good guideline for PMC members to follow. If you vote +1 for GA, it should imply that you are already using the distribution in production yourself, and have done so for several business days. Of course, a +1 also implies that you will support the release, as always.
So now I only get to vote if I have an app in production? Give me a break, Ted. First you hijack the original intent to move to a Tomcat release process and convert it to the HTTPD process instead, and now you want to hijack the voting process as well?
-- Martin Cooper
If we don't have the courage to use a distribution in our own work, then we should not be advising others to do the same :)
-Ted.
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