> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:22:09 +0200, Anders Steinlein 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Although I have no real saying in this, I am +1 on J2SE 5.0 
> > as well. As I would anticipate 1-2 years in development on
> > Struts 2.x, J2SE 5.0 should be widely deployed by then. If
> > not, then our "endorsement" of it could encourage people to
> > make the switch. ;) Plus, it could stand as a marketing bonus
> > - in support of our "revolutionary" path.
> 
> I sure hope it doesn't take us 1-2 years, but with our track 
> record I'd be pretty foolish to make any promises at this point :-).

I sure doesn't hope so either. Besides, I suspect more people would like
to volunteer on a 2.x release to scratch some revolutionary itches and/or
understanding the framework from the beginning (myself included), which
could help speed things up. :)

> > Quick questions regarding Commons Logging proposal:
> > 
> > Letting people choose their logging implementation is not a 
> > bad idea, but I've been hearing negative things about Commons
> > Logging in its ability to detect the correct implementation
> > to use. Something about classpath problems, if I remember
> > correctly? Are these  issues solved?
> 
> 99.9% of the issue is configuration -- getting the right JARs 
> and configuration files in the right place.  In that sense 
> its not really different than any other JAR that might be 
> included in the webapp or installed in the container.  You 
> just need to get all the moving parts where they belong.  And 
> use C-L 1.0.4 or later, of course, because there were some 
> critical bugfixes.

Ah, that explains it. Thanks for clearing this up for me.

> Struts 1.x has used C-L from the very beginning of its 
> existence, and we've been satisfied with it.
> 
> > Again, this is
> > just little me's two cents, but I am in favor of minimizing third 
> > party dependencies as much as possible, and I don't see very much 
> > reason not to use the JDK 1.4 implementation. Anyone?
> 
> There are a lot of potential customers that have existing 
> environments based on things like Log4J, and those folks 
> would be really (and justifiably) irritated to be required
> to configure two logging systems.

Indeed good and valid points - I'm sold.

> Craig

\Anders


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