[OT] Metadata Musings.... (was Spring etc)

[Duncan Mills]

<quote>
 XML configuration cannot replace traditional programming.
</quote>
I'd rephrase that slightly as:
 XML configuration cannot completely replace traditional programming.
The issue being here that with the right frameworks and tooling you can 
go a long way to eliminating all code except that which actually is 
unique to your business problem and is not worth describing in those 
common terms.  Everything is an abstraction, XML metadata is just a at 
higher level.  I personally feel that the more  configuration and logic 
you can describe through some sort of metadata the better, under the 
proviso that the metadata you are dealing with is not more complex than 
the code you're substituting for, but that's just me.

Regards
Duncan Mills

Pilgrim, Peter wrote:
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From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

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--- Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   

I agree with Don's assessment, but wanted to add an FYI 
     

note -- Shale
   

does zero-config for #3 (because the mapping between a JSP page and
the corresponding ViewController is implicit), and doesn't 
     

require #1
   

unless you need it for doing Commons Validator stuff.
Simpler is definitely better.
     

But is adding yet another framework to Struts simplifying 
anything for the
user or just for us developers?  If we add Spring, we would 
need to know
the following to write a Struts webapp:
1.  struts-config.xml
2.  validator-rules.xml
3.  spring.xml (or whatever they call the config file)
4.  possibly tiles-config.xml
5.  possibly jsf config files

How is learning and remembering up to 5 different configuration files
better for the user?  If I was put in this position, I would seriously
consider other ways of writing Java webapps.
   

XML configuration cannot replace traditional programming.
You can quote me on that.
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XML configuration cannot replace programming
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Peter Pilgrim
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