Hi Ted and others,

> Objectively, I think that Shale would be a better fit for 
> Apache MyFaces. 

Uh, interessting point. I read the Shale proposal and
found it nice. I haven't tried it for now.

> Back in the day, it might have been better if we had placed 
> most of our taglibs with Jakarta Taglibs, rather than keep 
> them all here. I think this is the same sort of thing. 

I guess that was before my time here ... :-)

> Since I'm not doing the work, I can't make the decision, but 
> I think it would be nice if a serious proposal were made to 
> Apache MyFaces before launching Shale from here. 
> 
> Shale has been mentioned on the MyFaces lists a couple of 
> times, but no one has asked the question "Do we want to host 
> Shale here at Apache MyFaces?". 

Well, I allways thought it is a Struts thing. One alternative solution
to the Jericho/Chain issue... Or even including more standards,
since Filters where mentioned in Shale...

> Apache MyFaces already has generic JSF components, and Shale 
> fits in that venue. They also have a very strong JSF 
> community that can appreciate, support, and enhance Shale.

We have some extra components in MyFaces. Custom validators
based on Commons Validator. Now I am about to include a
RenderKit for WML. Also support for Tiles see:
http://www.apache.org/~matzew/myfaces-tiles-example.war
Perhaps we could bring the MyFaces' TilesViewHandler to
David's comming Tiles project.
BTW. I would like to see this project inside of Apache ...
But I am now becomming OT... 

I guess the Struts developers should decide what
they wanted to do with Shale (and Tiles).
Just my thought.

Regards,
Matthias


> Eventually, if everyone migrates to Shale, and the Struts 
> community withers away, then so be it. 
> 
> Let Darwin decide.
> 
> -Ted.
> 
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:50:42 -0800, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:21:24 -0500, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Is there anything someone would like put differently?
> >>
> >
> > I'm somewhat curious when the Struts committers might be willing to
> > make a conscious choice for a Struts 2.x architecture.
> >
> > While I'm personally going to continue to support the 1.3.x changes
> > for evolution of existing apps, and use of the Struts-Faces
> > integration library with it, I believe that Struts will become
> > gradually less relevant for new application development unless it
> > adopts JSF strongly; and it would be a shame to have to *compete*
> > with Struts instead of *being* Struts.
> >
> >> -Ted.
> >>
> > Craig
> >
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