Since you said if you WERE inclined to change Shale's logging, can I infer from this that you don't feel it needs to be changed, which further would imply that you don't believe the "problems" that have been talked about with JCL exist, or that they have been overblown or perhaps only apply in some very limited circumstances (because otherwise I assume you WOULD be inclined to change from JCL)?
I'm not by any means passing any sort of judgment on your decision, I'm simply trying to understand the thinking that is going into it because that thinking could influence what I'm doing as well.
Thanks Craig!
-- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com
Craig McClanahan wrote:
If I were inclined to change Shale's own logging APIs, I'd just switch to JDK 1.4 logging and be done with an external dependency (since Shale presumes 1.4 or later anyway). Shale's own needs are very modest, and would be adequately met by what is already built in.
That being said, switching to either UGLI or JDK 1.4 logging would be pointless if the objective is to banish JCL (reading Ceki on commons-dev has been quite entertaining lately :-), since Shale still depends on other packages that depend on JCL (currently Chain and Digester, others will undoubtedly be added later). I don't see a high likelihood that all of the packages that matter here would switch away from JCL any time soon, and won't bother to re-implement any of that stuff myself to eliminate dependencies.
Personally, I plan to spend my time focusing on functionality instead of on plumbing.
Craig
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:43:00 -0500, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- Original Message --- From: "Ceki Gülcü" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:06:03 +0100 Subject: UGLI instead of JCL?
Hi Ted,
May I suggest that for Shale you consider switching to UGLI [1] instead of JCL because the former causes none of the class loader problems of the latter?
After spending a week trying to understand and reproduce JCL's problems [2] I can confidently state that it is broken beyond repair. Anyway, just to let you know...
Cheers,
[1] http://logging.apache.org/log4j/docs/ugli.html [2] http://www.qos.ch/logging/classloader.jsp
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