Moving thread to DEV .... > Ted: how do you use ASP.NET? Do you have a framework you use?
It's under active development, but Spring.Web [http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/spring/display/NET/Spring.Web] is starting to look very Struts-like. (Not surprising considering the similarities between Spring MVC (for Java) and Struts Classic.) -Ted On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:19:57 -0500, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In Struts, the Front Controller and Dispatcher are combined. Which > begs the quesion: > > Do you actually miss a Front Controller, which provides a centralized > access point for presentation-tier request handling? > > Or do you just miss a Dispatcher, which selects the views to handle > the response. > > (Struts comines these into something J2EE Patterns calls "Service to Worker".) > > Which is to say, do you need to do something special with each > request, or is that you just need more help in selecting the response? > > > I was wondering if any of you knew a Struts like > > framework in the .NET world. > > Maverick has a .NET version of a Struts-like framework, but we haven't > been using it. > > > how do you use ASP.NET? > > We've been setting our workflows up as panels. One of our pages might > have a dozen different panels, which are turned on and off as a client > proceeds through a workflow. For the most part, the panel approach > lets us get away without a Dispatcher. Pages lead from a main menu > down to a mulit-panel work flow, and then back to the main menu. > > What I started to miss was the centralized Application Controller > features of Struts. Features like > > * command selection > * input validation > * text formatting > * message handling > * fault trapping > * type conversion > * logic processing > * control population and harvesting > > If you think about it, none of these features need to be tied to a > particular presentation layer technology. Most of the featuires are > found in Struts, and some other frameworks. (I think of Struts as the > "unabridged" framework. Many others do what you need, but Struts does > it all.) > > ActionMappings select a command. ActionForm validates input. > ActionErrors handles messages. ExceptionHandler catches any runtime > faults. BeanUtils converts types and formats text (to a degree). > Action processes logic. Taglibs populate controls, and the ActionForms > harvest input (using JavaBeans as transfer objects). > > What we are starting to do is use the inheritence properites of the > Page Controller for dispatching, and then calling a Controller from > the code-behind. So instead of the Front Controller deciding which > Command to call, the code-behind decides for itself which Command it > needs to call. > > We're pushing as much logic up into the Application Controller as we > can. We like to test-first, and so we want to test as much of a > transaction script as possible before plugging it into the > presentation layer. What's left for the Code Behind is bundling up the > input, passing it to the appropriate Command, unbundling the output, > and then turn on or off the appropriate peansl > > If you get past the trees, and into the forrest, it's starting to feel > a lot like Struts again :) > > -Ted. On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:46:01 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I miss the "Front Controller" part, the taglibs and the simplicity. I miss > the real MVC (Model 2) > from it. I've seen "Front Controller" examples on MSDN, but these are > awkward. > > We are using a base page now that act as a controller, but I still think that > developing with > ASP.NET is slower than it is with struts. User Controls and Server Controls > are neat things; but in > general, I think MS just wanted to bring web development closer to Windows UI > programmers. > > Ted: how do you use ASP.NET? Do you have a framework you use? Did you settle > down with the "Page > Controller" model? If you think this would be off topic, you can email me > directly. > Thanks, > Attila > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:17 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: Struts - Page Centric Framework > > I work in ASP.NET myself. > > What is it about Struts that you miss when working in ASP.NET, Attila? > > -Ted. > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:00:31 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Well, I guess if you guys think Struts is a page centric framework, you > > should check out what > > ASP.NET has to offer with it's code behind/"Page Controller" model. > > BTW: I've been using Struts and ASP.NET and I was wondering if any of you > > knew a Struts like > > framework in the .NET world. Any idea is appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > Attila Domokos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
