The overall session went great. We presented in a room that had 900 seats, at lunch time on Wednesday, and basically packed it (there might have been an overflow room too; I didn't have time to check). People who attended definitely "get it" now about what Shale is, and how it relates to Struts 1.x. In addition, we were able to demo some cool stuff (including the integration to standalone Tiles that David committed to the Struts repository last night, the use of Commons Validator for client side plus server side validation, and using Clay for those who prefer "Tapestry-like views" over JSP pages). My understanding is that a full A-V recording of this session (and all the others) will be posted on the Sun Developer Network (free registration required) later this summer so people who didn't attend can see the whole thing including the demos -- which were a bit over half the overall content.
Compared to David's, umm, "intense" nerviousness getting his demo ready, in the midst of the session :-), my part of the demos were *really* easy -- just edit a couple of JSP pages to remove some comment markers (which I could do in place, so didn't even need to redeploy), plus do the same on the Clay config file a bit later (with a quick redeploy courtesy of the Tomcat manager webapp previously opened in another window). And, as anyone who has ever seen me give a presentation knows, I can talk forever :-) ... and I really *was* ready to cover for David if he wasn't quite ready yet ... but the timing worked out just as if we'd planned the whole thing that way. Phew! :-) While you're grabbing sessions, you'll also enjoy the "Web Application Framework Smackdown" (later on Wednesday afternoon), where David represented Shale on stage (along with reps for JSF, WebWork, Tapestry, and Echo). Hands down the most entertaining JavaOne session I've been to in my six years of going. (PS: more than a few people told me that they figured Struts 1.x won, despite not being on stage at all :-). To test how acceptance of Shale is going, I tried one interesting experiment during the week ... when I talked about what I do, I would mention in passing "and I work on Shale", without describing what it is (unless they ask). Tellingly, almost everyone who was familiar with the Java web tier already had at least heard of it, and most of them had at least a basic grasp on how it is different (based on JSF instead of agnostic). Another interesting note ... although the word "shale" is much more common than the word "struts", the Shale wiki page (http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsShale) is 12th on a Google search, and the brand new web site (http://struts.apache.org/shale) is already 16th. Finally, I was also able to spend some time with the spec leads who will be running the upcoming JSF 2.0 spec (Ed Burns and Roger Kitain, who are currently working on JSF 1.2), and Shale can definitely be looked at as a proving ground for concepts that might be worthy of standardization in an upcoming "feature release" version of JSF, as well as being useful in its own right. Craig PS: David Geary also talks about Shale in his "No Fluff Just Stuff" presos, and (for our European friends) don't be surprised if we reprise this session at JavaPolis as well. On 7/6/05, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig, > > I was unable to make JavaOne this year. I read a brief account of > your presentation on David's blog. How did the overall presentation > go? How was Shale received? > > sean > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
