Since the ANNOUNCEMENT thread is veering off-topic ....
On 8/24/05, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ah...
> 
> were did you read it ?!?
> 
> > Rod Johnson and many others.  But, that should be a start to
> > think about, Dave.

>From the ASF's point of view, the only thing that matters is whether
there are volunteers who are ready, willing, and able to create and
maintain the software in the Apache Way. We're not a steering commitee
trying to decide what's best for everyone. We're a bunch of engineers
who want to share the software we're using with who other engineers
who might want to use it.

Since there are volunteers ready, willing, and able to create and
maintain Shale in the Apache Way, the only question that remains is
where to find more volunteers. The people actually working on Shale
now seem to think that the Apache Struts project is a good place to
find more volunteers. Since Shale is to JSF what Struts Classic is to
JSP, the Struts PMC agreed the idea had merit, and we made Shale a
subproject. Meanwhile, other volunteers continue to work on Struts
Classic, unabated.

Of course, at some point in time, the people actually working on Shale
may decide that they could find more volunteers as a top-level
project, or as subproject of another Apache TLP (like, say,  Apache
MyFaces), or somewhere else in cyberspace. The Shale volunteers might
then choose to continue work in some other repository. Or they might
decide to continue working here. But, the only people entitled to make
that decision are the ones creating and maintaining the Shale
codebase. The most the rest of can do is wish them godspeed.

We're seeing a similar thing happening with Tiles today. Right now,
volunteers are extracting Tiles into a separate subproject. Once that
is done, the volunteers might decide to continue work under the Struts
repository, or somewhere else. But, whatever they decide, the decision
will be driven by the simple question: Where will we find other
volunteers to help?

-Ted

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