>From the peanut gallery, I'd like to second Frank's statement in the
spirit of "fixing broken windows."

 - George Dinwiddie
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:58 AM
> To: Struts Developers List
> Cc: Struts Developers List
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Checkstyle stuff
> 
> 
> Hi James,
> 
> I see this as an ongoing task... the types of things that 
> Checkstyle raises are the types of things that tend to creep 
> in continually, for various reasons, even moreso with a 
> community-driven project like Struts.
> 
> That being said, I think there is value in getting what is 
> there now taken care of sooner rather than later.  Waiting 
> will only result in more issues showing up in the reports 
> down the road, and that will tend, I think, to dissuade 
> anyone from resolving them.  It would be easier for these 
> things to never be addressed.  Let's face it, it's not what I 
> would consider glamorous work :)
> 
> That too being said, I don't mind volunteering as the 
> "Checkstyle Police", so to speak, ongoing, and try and get it 
> all taken care of.  But the sooner they can start being 
> applied, the better.  I don't think this is the type of stuff 
> that would impact a 1.3 release either way, but I do think 
> getting as many of these issues resolved before a next 
> release has more value than waiting.  That's just my opinion. 
>  I don't want to speak for Don here, but his last comment on 
> the ticket would seem to indicate he may agree with this 
> (hope I'm not reading *too* much into it Don :) ).
> 
> Frank
> 
> On Wed, August 24, 2005 8:45 am, James Mitchell said:
> > I saw the tread, but I haven't followed that discussion.  I would 
> > rather wait till after 1.3.0 is out there.  If you can wait till 
> > things settle down, I'd be happy to apply your fixes then.  
> After all, 
> > the activity may make your patches out of date and we would 
> need to do 
> > it ourselves or ask for help again.
> >
> > Ping me again after 1.3.0 is out and remind me to get on 
> this. Thanks 
> > man.
> >
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> >
> > On Aug 24, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone have a chance to look or think about this?  I'd like to 
> >> continue the work but I'd also like to know if folks are 
> receptive to 
> >> it or not.
> >>
> >> Maybe you were all just busier today than I was...  I 
> Unfortunately 
> >> have a car that's getting ready to die any day now, so most of my 
> >> time was spent leisurely comparing and running numbers all day :)
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> I'm just trying to guage what the consensus is with regard to 
> >>> applying Checkstyle fixes (yes, it's a bit of a strange itch 
> >>> perhaps, but it's *my* itch! :) )... I just submitted a batch 
> >>> (ticket #36306), and would like to resolve as many more 
> as possible, 
> >>> but I'd like to know what everyones' thinking is with 
> regard to when 
> >>> they will/should be applied... would I be putting in a little too 
> >>> much effort if I'm trying to get them into the first 1.3 
> release?  
> >>> What I mean is, if everyone thinks they should be put off for a 
> >>> later release then there's no need for me to bust my butt 
> as much, I 
> >>> can work a bit more leisurely on things :)
> >>> If however, folks think it would be better to get them applied
> >>> sooner than later, which is my belief frankly, any committer
> >>> willing to do that in the short term?
> >>> Just as a quick summary... I counted 4,760 Checkstyle complaints
> >>> on the current TRUNK, and the batch I just submitted resolves
> >>> 1,462.  Virtually none of it alters actual code, in fact only 178
> >>> do and that was just to break up lines longer than 80 characters,
> >>> so I'd say these are relatively benign fixes (and I'll state what
> >>> should be assumed: everything compiled fine for me and all unit
> >>> tests passed).  There's still probably 2,000 more or so that would
> >>> fall into that same relatively "safe" category (lots of javadocs
> >>> fixes for example) before I even think about those that might
> >>> require some actual thought/discussion :)
> >>> Thanks all!

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