What I mean by Ruby on Rails like, I mean a similar experience for the
end user. This means no or little configuration, intuitive behavior,
minimal contact with the framework, quick development, etc. I'm open to
the possibility of bundling Jetty/Tomcat, an ORM framework, and even
Derby/HSQL, complete with scripts that use them to get an application up
quickly. My vision for Ti is a framework geared towards the new Java
web developer that enabled rapid prototyping along the lines of Ruby on
Rails. That is not to say it wouldn't be internally flexible to allow
the power user to mold it to his/her will, but the version that ships
should be intuitive, self-contained, and well documented.
For example, I see the app creation process as this:
1. Download Struts Ti
2. Run a script which
- prompts you to gather a few bits of key information
- generates an application skeleton
- fires up the included application server
3. View the home page in your web browser
4. Modify the Controller class to add an additional action
5. Write the action's jsp/vm page
6. Refresh the page
To enable this workflow, Ti might include:
- A compiling classloader which detects source changes
- Automatic annotation/doclet tag processing triggered by source code
changes
- Automatically reloadable configuration (already included
compliments of XWork)
- Scaffold code to fill in gaps until the developer is ready to code them
So as you can see, while what the user sees is simple and
straight-forward, the framework itself might have to jump through some
hoops to implement those features. In my opinion, Java web frameworks
have been too much about how great they are (navel-gazing), and not
enough about making it easy for the end developer. I see Struts Ti
zeroing in on creating a great end-user framework, collaborating with
other projects as much as possible to get there.
So, continuations is just one piece of RoR which we may support or we
may not, but the technical features of RoR is not what I mean when I say
RoR like; I mean the end user development experience.
Don
Wendy Smoak wrote:
From: "James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
While I can see how templating would get us close, I don't know how we
could ever match Ruby's support of continuations and other features. I
mean, it's just not part of the language.
Bruce Tate does a presentation called "Stretching Java" in which he shows
continuations in Ruby and Seaside, and then shows how Spring WebFlow, Rife,
and Cocoon 2 are doing them (or getting close) in Java.
There's some discussion of continuations in Rife vs. WebFlow here:
http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2005/4/11/continuations_continuations
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