Heh, don't have time to read this whole thread right now, but I'd say this:

The IDE and the tools are one of Java's key strengths. We should
embrace those strengths. I'm always amazed by how many Java developers
still don't even know how to debug, or launch Tomcat or Jetty or Resin
from within their IDE for a super quick development environment.

Vi and Emacs are for Ruby folks and perl hackers. Let's embrace the
fact that Java refactors well and has great tools to help out. As a
community we should encourage people to use IDEA or Eclipse (if you
can't afford IDEA), and teach them how to debug, and show them how
they can launch the servlet container in their IDE.

WebWork 2.2 includes an app called QuickStart that launches Jetty from
anywhere. We're including instructions on how to use it within your
IDE to help you work faster. We're trying to teach the community about
the tools they never knew about.

At every job I've had, when I came in my coworkers were using emacs
and building .war files and manually deploying them to Tomcat. After
they learned how to use IDEA, launch Jetty from within IDEA, and step
through their code, they all agreed they had huge productivity boosts.

Patrick

On 12/9/05, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Please keep in mind that there are still a good number of people who do
> > not use an IDE at all.
>
> Why on earth would you someone do such a thing?  Seriously.  I'd like
> to know :-)
>
> > Frank W. Zammetti
>
> sean
>
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