On 4/21/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lately, we've gotten into the habit of talking about Standalone Tiles
> as if it were already an Apache Struts subproject. As far as I
> remember, there has never been a vote to that effect, and the only
> proposal on the wiki positions Tiles as a top-level project, once it
> is ready to stand on its own.
>
> * http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTopLevel
>
> IMHO, once Standalone Tiles is ready for a release, we should migrate
> the component to a top-level ASF project. When we started this
> process, the original intent was to decompose Tiles here, test it in
> Action and Shale, and then move it out when it was ready to stand on
> its own.
>
> If anything will make Apache Struts an "umbrella", it would be keeping
> Tiles here, rather than proposing it as a top-level project.
> Standalone Tiles is *not* an application framework. Tiles is a
> *component" that can be used by any web application, just like
> Validator and BeanUtils and everything else we extracted into
> "standalone" versions.
>
> Of course, another alternative would be to propose Tiles as Commons
> component or Jakarta subproject. Albeit, I feel that Tiles falls
> somewhere between a component and a framework, and that Tiles is rich
> enough to warrant its own top-level project.
>
> Thoughts?

Do we need to be discussing this now?  I kinda feel like this should
wait until Tiles is ready to stand alone.

If there is sufficient interest/support from developers, then i don't
see any problem with having Tiles be a top level project.  But to be
honest, i don't think we have that at this, or if we do, then it is a
surprise to me.  And i'll point the finger at myself on that one too. 
The time i have available for open source work is very limited lately
and Velocity is my priority there.  I'd like to jump in and help with
Tiles, but the time isn't there.

Right now, it is easier for me to envision Tiles staying on as a
Struts subproject.   As for jumping over to Jakarta, that wouldn't
bother me, but i'm not sure i understand why.  Just because it's not a
full framework on the level of Struts 1.x, Shale, and SAF 2?  That's
not a reason that motivates me a lot.

> -Ted.
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