I am a bit surprised that this was not all pretty well worked out in detail
before the merger.  Why not first take the time to see what will need to be
done and what the result will look like before deciding to do it?  That
should not be a daunting task.  A list of what the result will take and what
the result will look like would be worth having before taking a vote on
this.  To just a make a decision and to start coding blindly before knowing
what the parameters of the situation are would be just to return to past
"throw it against the wall and see what sticks" sort of decision making.

The continuing introduction of "Ti" into these conversations is confusing to
me.  I am not sure what Ted means by that.  I know Ted and I know it is an
agenda for sure, but I don't know what that agenda is.

I also don't see the arguments (reasons) for evolution now revolution later
decisions.  Are there any that have been gathered, arranged, collated, etc?
This all seems a bit out of control and not well-planned.  These sorts of
discussion, by the way, have nothing to do with "architecture".

On 5/7/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 5/6/06, Bob Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The new API should be simpler, cleaner, better separated from the
> implementation, more intuitive, and better organized. If you
> understand WW2, you'll have no problem understanding the new API. If
> you haven't learned WW2 yet, it will be easier to learn the new API
> than WW2.

All of which seems to imply that the "new API" might be the equivalent of
WW 3.

We've always planned to consider signficant API changes for "SAF 2.0
Next" as Ti Phase 2, but we need to set modest, achievable
expectations for SAF 2.0 (aka WW 2.3). The first phase is an
evolutionary transition. The second phase is meant to be
revolutionary.

Of course, without code on the table, it's too soon to say yes, no, or
maybe. No matter what anyone plans to do, the implementation has to
pass muster. The most anyone here can say is "Looks cool, show us the
code" or "Here's the code, how do you like it?".

-Ted.

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