JSF is not a major shift. It is just a way to let tools do the coding for people who have difficulty with code. It is also not ahead of its time, unless it has been ahead of its time for a record length of time. It is just not a very good idea. It is VB for Java web frameworks. Only VB oriented people will like it. It is not positioned well for a market. It sure as h-e-l-l is not the next generation anything.
On 6/23/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree that its time for Shale to find a new home. I actually think that living here in the Struts project is holding Shale back more then its helping at this point. I also feel that Shale is still a little ahead of its time. JSF is still gaining acceptance and Shale builds on JSF. Imagine if Struts had come out shortly after JSP and Servlets. JSF is a major shift in the way we've been doing things. It will take a while for everyone to understand JSF enough before they are ready for Shale. Maybe JSF won't ever become widely accepted but if you have looked at job postings lately you will see that its gaining ground. Struts Action and Shale are competing frameworks. There are two camps. At last year's Apache Con BOF I was shouted down for expressing this obvious fact but now I think its become obvious to almost everyone. I don't know anyone who spends a lot of time in *both* of these camps so why keep trying to force them to live together? I'm in favor of an amicable divorce as Craig has hinted at. We can continue to work together but lets create a formal split so we stop confusing the users and ourselves. Sean On 6/22/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/22/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What about a "generic" Faces project, like portals or ws ? > > Apache Faces. > > > > To me Shale fits fine into that. > > > > There - in an apache faces land - is enough space for: > > Myfaces > > Tomahawk > > Tobago > > Shale > > Sandbox (well, our sandbox) > > and soon Trinidad (aka ADF Faces donation) > > > > WDYT ? > > As far as I can tell, you've just proposed adding Shale and renaming > the MyFaces project to just 'Faces'. :) > > Everything you listed (except Shale) is already at MyFaces, or coming > soon. And I agree, Shale is a better fit with that list. > > -- > Wendy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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