On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Johannes Geppert <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> It looks there is a broad agreement related to the projects links and the > Roadmap FAQ. > So i have dropped it from the site. > > Also I have added a Facebook and G+ Integration beside the Twitter > Integration. > Looks like this is our current News Section. ;-) > Why are we supporting commercial enterprises from our site? As a 501(c)3 organisation, are we allowed to do that? -- Martin Cooper On the bottom of our Welcome Page are some Books like "Starting with > Struts2" linked. > But this Links returns only a blank page to me. Does anybody know the right > Link? > > Johannes > > ################################################# > web: http://www.jgeppert.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep > > > > > 2012/11/27 Rene Gielen-2 [via Struts] < > ml-node+s1045723n5711187...@n5.nabble.com> > > > Am 26.11.12 22:41, schrieb Martin Cooper: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lukasz Lenart <[hidden email]< > http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5711187&i=0>>wrote: > > > > > > > >> 2012/11/25 Johannes Geppert <[hidden email]< > http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5711187&i=1>>: > > > > >>> What others think about shrinking a little bit the menu and some > > Content? > > >> > > >> +1 :-) > > >> > > > > > > Depends on what you mean by "shrink". We have people (e.g. Link, very > > > recently) who don't seem to be able to find stuff on our menu, so > making > > it > > > smaller will not help at all. On the other hand, reducing the number of > > > items would undoubtedly help. > > > > > > > > > > I have to admit that the sheer amount of information both in the main > > menu and certain pages is what it makes hard for me to find something - > > even given that I'm involved with the site for some years now. While > > e.g. it is educative to hear about mailing list policies first, the > > actual information how to subscribe is buried under piles of letters ... > > and most of nowadays users seem to have an attention span not lasting > > longer than three paragraphs before they give up reading. At least the > > mailing list moderation experience seems to indicate that. > > > > Basically I think that careful reduction and hierarchical organization > > of information helps to succeed getting our messages between our site > > reader's ears. > > > > That said, reducing the main menu would be good first step in my opinion. > > > > > > >> > > >>> 1.) The "Roadmap FAQ" is really outdated! > > >>> We can update it, delete it or reference it to the current Struts3 > > Wiki > > >> Page > > >> > > >> I think we can remove that page, even if we plan S3 there is not too > > >> much to write - Struts 2 done better :-) > > >> > > > > > > A roadmap can be very useful, but it needs people committed to > > maintaining > > > it. I think Ted was probably the only one who did this for an extended > > > period. We should just remove it if we don't have something useful to > > say. > > > > > > > > > > +1 - unless there is valid maintained content, we should remove the > > roadmap FAQ. If at a later point we want to add up to date roadmap > > information again, we might consider to call it simply "Roadmap" rather > > than "Roadmap FAQ". > > > > >> > > >>> 2.) What is the mining of the "Project Minutes" ? Last update is from > > >> 2008! > > >> > > >> I think it would be nice to put here Reports to the ASF Board which > > >> Rene prepares, it's important to see what's going on with the project, > > >> thus will overtake Roadmap FAQ > > >> > > > > > > The board minutes are a matter of public record, and are always > > published. > > > See: > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html > > > > > > It's not easy to find the Struts reports in that (e.g. you need to know > > our > > > schedule), so I'd be okay with re-publishing, if we think we'll keep it > > up > > > to date. But we should copy from the board minutes, rather than our > > list, > > > to be sure we capture accurately what the board accepted. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if the board level reports - in this particular form - are > > of widespread interest, neither do they replace well maintained news > > content. Given that we had to implement a solution to automatically > > extract the content from the approved reports, as Martin stated, I > > wonder if this is worth the effort. A news section with targeted > > information bits might be a more relevant way to go, as long at it is > > well maintained. > > > > E.g., I could imagine snippets like > > - Struts Users Facebook Site hits 1.000.000 likes > > - Struts Downloads peeked with the release of 4.0.1 > > - Externally maintained Struts 2 BootQueryNateStrap-Plugin version 9.8.7 > > released > > - Appfuse 20.12 now with Struts2 LiquidDiamondAngular Theme support baked > > in > > - ApacheCon NA 2015 to feature five Struts 4 talks > > - John Doe has written an interesting blog post on Configuration over > > Convention in Struts 4 > > > > As for the noteworthy stuff assembled into the quarterly board report, I > > could volunteer to add a rehash-and-update-site workflow at around the > > time the report is submitted. But I think more voluntary help would be > > needed to keep such a news stream relevant. > > > > If we go for adding approved board reports, the Development->Minutes > > section would have to be filled with life again. If not, we should > > consider removing it. > > > > >> > > >>> 3.) Maybe we can create on Page for the Related and Similar Projects? > > >>> This would make the Menu much more cleaner. > > >> > > >> +1 > > >> > > > > > > Frankly, I think we should drop related and similar projects. There is > > no > > > meaningful determination of what does, or does not, make it into either > > > list. > > > > > > > +1 as well - besides, the linked Apache projects seems to have nothing > > alike any more (at least Wicket / Tapestry last time I checked). > > > > I'd vote to drop > > - Related Projects > > - Similar Projects > > - Java 5 for Struts 1 (Strecks) > > > > > > > >> > > >>> 4.) The Link to "Our Blogs" looks also really outdated! Last Entry is > > >> from > > >>> 2008. > > >>> http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/ > > >> > > >> We can add few new, like your :-) > > >> > > > > > > That planet link is long-obsolete. See instead: > > > > > > http://blogs.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > Since there isn't too much going on regarding Struts even at blogs.a.o, > > I'm in favor for dropping the "Our Blogs" link. > > > > >> > > >>> 5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it. > > >>> http://struts.sourceforge.net/ > > >> > > >> I've been using it some times ago, but not any more but I think it > > >> should stay :-) > > >> > > > > > > Yeah, it should stay. It's where we can point non-committers to check > in > > > Struts-related code, if they so wish. > > > > > > > Hmm - diving a bit into http://struts.sourceforge.net/, frankly it looks > > like a zombie to me. All Getting Involved -> Repository links (CVS) I > > tried were broken. Is there any recent activity? Wouldn't it be better > > to link https://github.com/apache/struts2 instead? It should at least be > > linked in addition. > > > > Additional thoughts: > > - we should not only incorporate the twitter button but also G+ and > > Facebook buttons pointing to the respective Struts pages. > > - Development->Source Code and Development->Source Repository should be > > merged > > - dropping pages does not necessarily mean removing them - as for > > historic reference (and bookmarks), those pages might still be deployed > > but no longer referenced from the menu > > > > > -- > > > Martin Cooper > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> -- > > >> Łukasz > > >> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]< > http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5711187&i=2> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]< > http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5711187&i=3> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > René Gielen > > http://twitter.com/rgielen > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]< > http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5711187&i=4> > > For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]< > http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5711187&i=5> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > > below: > > > > > http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/Using-fluido-once-available-tp4998141p5711187.html > > To unsubscribe from Using fluido once available, click here< > http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=4998141&code=am9nZXBAYXBhY2hlLm9yZ3w0OTk4MTQxfC0xNDI4NDU4NDU5 > > > > . > > NAML< > http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml > > > > > > > > > ----- > web: http://www.jgeppert.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep > -- > View this message in context: > http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/Using-fluido-once-available-tp4998141p5711194.html > Sent from the Struts - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >
