On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:57 AM Private List Moderation <mod-priv...@gsuite.cloud.apache.org> wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 19:24, Nathan Hartman <hartman.nat...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 11:33 AM Daniel Sahlberg >> <daniel.l.sahlb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > *thread reply* >> > >> > I think everyone should take a deep breath and then we should re-start the >> > conversation with the purpose of learning and improving because at the >> > moment it seems that emotions are way to high. >> > >> > As I see it - and as usual, I'm new to the party so I don't have >> > historical context: >> > >> > * Subversion release process dictate to announce first, update website >> > later. There is a reason for it but we can improve on the process. I've >> > raised this at dev@ and received positive feedback from stsp. >> > * The RM an honest mistake and forgot to update the download page on the >> > website. He has admitted and apologized. No problem, we all make mistakes, >> > right? >> > * Moderation rejected the announce mail quite harshly. I would agree that >> > the missing links was reasonable cause to /hold back/ the announcement, >> > but I think it was done in a way (tone and outright rejection instead of >> > reaching out "hey, did you forget to update the download page?") that >> > didn't invite to further communication. (I'm not comenting on the KEYS >> > file issue, I wasn't around last time and I don't have the time to look up >> > the policy, but from what I understand this was a minor issue). >> > >> > As far as I understand everyone in the Subversion project are volunteers. >> > I don't know about the moderators but I assume they are as well. We need >> > to treat eachother with respect and try to find the most efficient way for >> > the community as a whole and not just "looking from the perspectiv of >> > ****". >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > Daniel Sahlberg >> >> >> I agree that there needs to be respect and appreciation for everyone's >> volunteer efforts here, and in the spirit of openness and cooperation >> I have a suggestion to make: >> >> Since it seems that "not being spam" isn't enough to make an >> announcement, and this is a long standing issue (it goes back farther >> than last May), it would be immensely helpful, both for us and for the >> moderators, if there were publicly posted rules that clearly outline: >> "this is what moderators check; this is the criteria moderators use to >> accept or reject an email to this list." This would clearly set >> expectations and help to prevent the repeating issues that I'm sure >> are frustrating to the list operators, and I know are frustrating for >> us. >> > > I agree that this would be useful. > > Where would you expect to find such information? > And what rules would you expect to see? > > Remember that the announce@ list is ASF-wide, so emails need to be worded > accordingly.
Ping... I'm writing to give an update and also a gentle nudge: Update: On our (Subversion's) end, we are making some adjustments to our release procedures and tooling to avoid the race-condition / chicken-egg issue between download links and the announce email. Nudge: On your (the list-owner's) end, have you had a chance to document the criteria for announcements to be rejected or accepted? Thanks, Nathan
