Den ons 29 juli 2026 kl 12:58 skrev Branko Čibej <[email protected]>:

> On 29. 7. 2026 11:38, Ivan Zhakov wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 19:51, Nathan Hartman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 10:57 AM Ivan Zhakov <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 17:11, Nathan Hartman <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 12:40 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Author: ivan
>> >> > Date: Fri Jul 24 16:39:48 2026
>> >> > New Revision: 1936555
>> >> >
>> >> > Log:
>> >> > In site/staging:
>> >> >
>> >> > Use 'content' CSS property to add section link symbol.
>> >> >
>> >> > * style/site.css
>> >> >   (.sectionlink::before): New class. Add 'pilcrow' symbol via
>> 'content' CSS
>> >> >    property.
>> >> >
>> >> > * blog/2006-09-10-EnhancingSubversionServer.html
>> >> > * blog/2007-03-27-authz-and-anon-authn-agony.html
>> >> > * blog/2007-06-13-merge_auditing.html
>> >> > * blog/2008-03-29-merging-from-foreign-repositories.html
>> >> > * blog/2008-05-06-merge-info.html
>> >> > * blog/2009-11-19-where-did-that-mergeinfo-come-from.html
>> >> > * blog/2012-10-24-reducing_network_traffic_in_subversion_1-8.html
>> >> > *
>> blog/2013-06-24-repository-dictated-configuration-part-1-inheritable-properties.html
>> >> > *
>> blog/2013-06-25-repository-dictated-configuration-part-2-autoprops.html
>> >> > *
>> blog/2013-06-26-repository-dictated-configuration-part-3-global-ignores.html
>> >> > * blog/2013-06-28-foreign-repository-copies.html
>> >> > * blog/index.html
>> >> > * contributing.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/building.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/debugging.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/general.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/issues.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/l10n.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/mailing-lists.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/roles.part.html
>> >> > * docs/community-guide/web.part.html
>> >> > * docs/index.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.1.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.10.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.11.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.12.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.13.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.14.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.15.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.2.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.3.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.4.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.5.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.6.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.6.zh.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.7.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.8.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/1.9.html
>> >> > * docs/release-notes/index.html
>> >> > * download.html
>> >> > * faq.html
>> >> > * faq.ja.html
>> >> > * faq.zh.html
>> >> > * features.html
>> >> > * ideas.html
>> >> > * index.html
>> >> > * mailing-lists.html
>> >> > * news.html
>> >> > * opw.html
>> >> > * packages.html
>> >> > * pronunciation/index.html
>> >> > * quick-start.html
>> >> > * reporting-issues.html
>> >> > * roadmap.html
>> >> > * security/index.html
>> >> > * source-code.html
>> >> >   Remove "&para;" from section links: we add it via 'content' CSS
>> property.
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, this change doesn't seem to work on Firefox.
>> >>
>> >> I am using the very latest Firefox, version 153.0.1.
>> >>
>> > I am using Firefox 153.0.1 and it works for me.
>> >
>> > I have also tested Microsoft Edge 150.0.4078.99 and it also works.
>> >
>> > May it's some kind of caching issue?
>>
>>
>> You are correct, it was a caching issue. This confused me because I
>> believed that I had force-reloaded the page. However, I just checked
>> and it turns out that Cmd + R only reloads the HTML. You have to press
>> Cmd + Shift + R to also reload stylesheets. I had forgotten this.
>>
>> Strangely, an earlier change of the stylesheets (to add td.success,
>> td.warning, td.danger) took effect here without any special action on
>> my part.
>>
>> This issue is rather annoying. I was searching for a reliable method
>> to force browsers to reload CSS when it changes without forcing a
>> reload every time the page is accessed. One StackOverflow page [1]
>> contains an entire debate about this. The most simplistic idea from
>> that page is to rename the CSS file with some sort of monotonically
>> increasing version number in the filename each time the file is
>> edited. This method would always work; the downside is that it would
>> necessitate changes to all the files across the site, each time we
>> edit the CSS. That could be annoying for us.
>>
>> An alternative solution would be to add a query argument and increment it
> on every CSS change. Something like this:
> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/style/site.css?v=1" type="text/css"
> media="all">
>
> But we would still have to update 63 HTML files on every CSS change. I'm
> not sure it is worth it, but I can do this
>
>
>
> It's not worth it. Some browsers are just notorious for caching too much.
> That is not the case for Firefox – the difference between ^R/Shift-^R (or
> ⌘R/Shift-⌘R on the Mac) is well known. Safari, on the other hand, is way
> too smart, it doesn't have an equivalent to Shift-⌘R and will happily cache
> CSS and favicons and such even when they no longer exist at the source...
>
> TL;DR: This will only happen to people who are regularly tracking the
> changing staging web site.
>

It will also happen to anyone who regularly check the main website,
whenever we merge this kind of changes. I have no idea how long it takes
before the web browsers refresh a cached resource.

That said, I don't think it is worth changing 63 HTML files on every CSS
change.

One possible solution: We already use mod_ssi to <!-- #include --> other
files. One possible solution would be to have the head as a separate
include. If I understand mod_ssi correctly, we could <!-- #set var="title"
value="Some title" --> and then <title><!-- #echo var="title" --></title>
in the header file. That way we only need to update the header-include file.

Cheers,
Daniel

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