Where do you get that?
There were suggestions to "prune" things, which e.g. Anatole also did not
see useful.
It's a good thing to know Commons Config (which was among the "related
projects" from day one of this effort) is active again, whether we feel
it's good to incorporate it or work separately, I guess we'll find out down
the path.
Regards,
Werner
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> @werner:
> please don't get it wrong, but if you don't like something - just tell it
> - intimations don't help a lot.
> afaik we aren't in a rush and therefore we can just benefit from discussing
> and reviewing topics step by step.
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
>
>
> 2014-12-04 16:49 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>:
>
> > About Commons Config, I am not sure, if he's still involved, but given
> Geir
> > was also elected into the JCP EC I should be able to chat with him about
> it
> > during upcoming F2F meeting like the one in January. He was a committer
> to
> > Commons Config 1, but no longer seems to contribute there now.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Anatole Tresch <atsti...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > please just try to be polite to each other. Most important thing is:
> edit
> > > the subject before sending a new topic, so a new thread is opened, and
> > yes
> > > ensure not more than 2-3 threads are running in parallel ;). Currently
> it
> > > is really a mess. Basically we discuss 2 things as of now, and I
> suggest
> > to
> > > postpone other topics a bit, so we keep control...
> > >
> > > -Anatole
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014-12-04 16:31 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > You may have noticed, the very important "annot" point was also
> "bent"
> > > > beyond recognition with other sometimes random topics. Maybe somebody
> > > > should simply have created a separate thread or replied elsewhere;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well there are replies to good to know fact that Commons Config is
> > > "alive
> > > > > and kicking" (based on the project page and recent activity) that
> > > should
> > > > > not belong to this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > @Romain, others please discuss things like stage, etc. it in other
> > > > > threads;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Werner
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
> > > > > gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> @werner:
> > > > >> we already have important and ongoing discussions in other threads
> > > > >> (starting step by step).
> > > > >> imo it doesn't make sense to start new threads about "random"
> topics
> > > > which
> > > > >> will be discussed later on (once they are due).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> regards,
> > > > >> gerhard
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2014-12-04 16:16 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > rmannibu...@gmail.com
> > > >:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > there are stages in jsf, deltaspike, spring and several other
> > libs.
> > > In
> > > > >> > practise a system property is also ofnte used and enough for the
> > > > >> > config:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Configuration.fromPaths("/foo/bar/" +
> > > > >> > System.getProperty("myapp.stage", "prod") +
> "-config.properties);
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Environment would make sense only when we'll support
> distribution
> > > > >> > which is far to be the case so we can maybe drop it for now.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >> > @rmannibucau
> > > > >> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
> > > > >> > https://github.com/rmannibucau
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > 2014-12-04 16:11 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >> > > One could merge *Stage *and *Environment*, see Multiconf, but
> > > > abusing
> > > > >> > *Stage
> > > > >> > > *to model *Environment *seems rather pointless.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Werner
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Werner Keil <
> > > werner.k...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> >About stage: we have enough stage outside tje config to use
> it
> > > > >> without
> > > > >> > >> What do you mean here, the totally inadequate ProjectStage
> enum
> > > in
> > > > >> > JSF?;-)
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> IMHO at least the notion of Environment should be present,
> > > > otherwise
> > > > >> > >> multi-tenancy or "Cloud" support that Java EE keeps babbling
> > > about
> > > > >> ever
> > > > >> > >> since at least EE 7 will remain the same joke and empty
> phrase
> > in
> > > > >> > Tamaya as
> > > > >> > >> it does there (or in the PR of most large companies including
> > > > >> Oracle;-D)
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Werner Keil | JCP Executive Committee Member, JSR 363 Co Spec
> > > Lead
> > > > |
> > > > >> > >> Eclipse UOMo Lead, Babel Language Champion | Apache
> Committer |
> > > > >> Advisory
> > > > >> > >> Board Member, DWX '15
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Twitter @wernerkeil | @UnitAPI | @JSR354 | @AgoravaProj |
> > > > @DeviceMap
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> > #EclipseUOMo
> > > > >> > >> | #DevOps
> > > > >> > >> Skype werner.keil | Google+ gplus.to/wernerkeil
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > >> > rmannibu...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>> About stage: we have enough stage outside tje config to use
> it
> > > > >> without
> > > > >> > >>> any issue or code to write with [configuration].
> > > > >> > >>> About Environment: not a strong requirement in enough cases
> to
> > > not
> > > > >> be
> > > > >> > >>> present by default.
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> We could surely use [configuration] in our impl pretty
> easily
> > > (in
> > > > a
> > > > >> > >>> format/reader depending where we finish)
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >> > >>> @rmannibucau
> > > > >> > >>> http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > >> > >>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
> > > > >> > >>> https://github.com/rmannibucau
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> 2014-12-04 15:52 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <
> werner.k...@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > >> > >>> > After a brief but slightly deeper look at Commons Config
> 2,
> > it
> > > > >> could
> > > > >> > be
> > > > >> > >>> > better separated into API vs. implementations (similar to
> > say
> > > > >> Log4J
> > > > >> > 2;-)
> > > > >> > >>> > and something notably absent is the concept of "Stage" or
> > > > >> > >>> "Environment". In
> > > > >> > >>> > theory the 2 projects could explore synergies making
> Tamaya
> > > the
> > > > >> > "Cloud
> > > > >> > >>> > Enabler" for some of the core concepts that look fairly
> neat
> > > in
> > > > >> > Commons
> > > > >> > >>> > Config 2 (I worked with V1 in a few projects, it was a bit
> > > > complex
> > > > >> > but
> > > > >> > >>> > doable)
> > > > >> > >>> >
> > > > >> > >>> > Werner
> > > > >> > >>> >
> > > > >> > >>> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Werner Keil <
> > > > >> werner.k...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > >>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>> >
> > > > >> > >>> >> Hi,
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>> >> Probably more important than config subsystems in JSR 107
> > or
> > > > >> Log4J 2
> > > > >> > >>> >> (though it altogether got a really good rewrite making
> any
> > > > effort
> > > > >> > for a
> > > > >> > >>> >> "Logging JSR" by some people almost pointless;-) seems a
> > > > massive
> > > > >> > >>> redesign
> > > > >> > >>> >> and recent activity of Apache Commons Logging 2:
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-configuration/index.html
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>> >> Anybody had a look at that?
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>> >> Apache certainly has a very multicultural ecosystem, look
> > at
> > > > >> Struts
> > > > >> > vs.
> > > > >> > >>> >> OpenFaces vs. Wicket vs. Tapestry and who knows how many
> > (Web
> > > > >> MVC)
> > > > >> > >>> projects
> > > > >> > >>> >> all exist, so why not have at least 2 or 3 for
> > configuration.
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>> >> Something noteworthy is, that Commons Configuration 2
> > > refrains
> > > > >> from
> > > > >> > any
> > > > >> > >>> >> static factory.
> > > > >> > >>> >> Even a class sounding like it was static such as
> > > Configurations
> > > > >> (in
> > > > >> > a
> > > > >> > >>> new
> > > > >> > >>> >> "fluent" package) works like this:
> > > > >> > >>> >> Configurations configurations = new Configurations();
> > > > >> > >>> >> PropertiesConfiguration config =
> > > configurations.properties(new
> > > > >> File(
> > > > >> > >>> >> "config.properties"));
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>> >> Werner
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>> >>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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