I do want to clarify one thing here, that's not immediately obvious. Apache releases are source-only releases. Sometimes projects will create a convenience binary but for all intents and purposes the actual release is the source code going out.
The source code, at time of release needs to be verified as something that Apache can claim as its own. Ideally we don't want to introduce any issues in the interim between releases, but that's where RAT is expected to help. We can freely declare dependencies on Apache licensed software, so long as we're not copying it over as a part of our code base. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> wrote: > The point is that we first have to ask. And those people would have to > agree. Like we did ask IBM when we forked the JBatch RI to create Apache > BatchEE. And the original IBM authors still pop up on the list and we share > experience and even patches with each other. > > > But I didn't see this somewhere for this code. Plus those code parts are > essentially not really needed neither. I don't see the point why we need > an own DSL where a ClassLoader.getResources() would be enough. It just > bloats the whole project imo. > > Of course the first point is something which is against ASF policy whereas > the 2nd point is a technical question where I'm happy to start a VOTE for. > For now I just removed it (due to the license flaws). > > > LieGrue, > strub > > > On Saturday, 3 January 2015, 21:45, Werner Keil <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > >Unless of course, another project contributes a vast majority of the > code, see OpenDDR and DeviceMap (where all IP was contributed by a donating > project) but it sounds like some parts looked copied? > > > > > >Still would be good to have a quick heads-up before such removals. > > > > > >Werner > > > > > >On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >This is really straight forward. Apache doesn't copy code from other > projects where we don't have all the full rights. And for those sources we > clearly do not own the copyright! > >> > >> > >>How do you know that those sources are IP clean? You simply cannot be > sure because you didn't write it yourself. > >> > >>This would have required a formal donation to the ASF an own IP check > (going through all the history, etc) and of course mentioning in the NOTICE > files. > >> > >> > >>And there is a second important point: this code is just not needed! > It's from the spring-ant integration it seems. What do we need that for? It > is totally simple to write this ourselves EXACTLY as we need it. There is > just no need for 20 additional classes which we barely can use. > >> > >>Btw we also need to review all the LICENSE and NOTICE files. > >> > >>LieGrue, > >>strub > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Saturday, 3 January 2015, 21:17, Anatole Tresch <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>>Hi Mark > >>> > >>> > >>>once more: I would expect to ask/discuss things first before just > removing: > >>> > >>> > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/formats/ConfigurationFormat.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/formats/PropertiesFormat.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/formats/PropertiesXmlFormat.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/logging/AbstractDelegatingLogger.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/logging/Log4j2Logger.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/logging/Log4jLogger.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/logging/Slf4jLogger.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/AbstractFileResolvingResource.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/AntPathMatcher.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/ClassPathResource.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/DefaultResourceLoader.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/FileSystemResource.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/InputStreamResource.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/PathMatchingDefaultResourceLoader.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/PathMatchingResourcePatternResolver.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/ReflectionUtils.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/ResourceUtils.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/UrlResource.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/VfsResource.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/internal/resource/VfsUtils.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/PathBasedPropertySourceProvider.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/ResourcePropertySourceProvider.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/resources/InputStreamSource.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/resources/Resource.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/resources/ResourceLoader.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/util/ClassUtils.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/main/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/util/StringUtils.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/test/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/testdata/TestPropertyDefaultSourceProvider.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/test/java/org/apache/tamaya/core/testdata/TestPropertySourceProvider.java > >>> * > file://C:/Users/Anatole/IdeaProjects/incubator-tamaya/core/src/test/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.tamaya.spi.PropertySourceProvider > >>>-> Parts of it may be rewritten, OK. Fair enough. > >>>-> Actually I dont understand, why we cannot reuse some of the code > here: it is Apache licencsed as well. We just have to mention it. > >>>-> Basically only 8 artifacts (more or less) would be afftected, by > far not all. > >>> > >>> > >>>I am really thinking of stopping my work here. Mark., I aüpreciate > discussing things, but simply throwing away things within in minutes is not > a collaboration model I will support. It is not worth my time! > >>> > >>> > >>>Cheers, > >>>Anatole > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>2015-01-03 18:45 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <[email protected]>: > >>> > >>>Just check what is NOT Copyright Apache but something else. Sadly this > is actually quite a lot. > >>>> > >>>>LieGrue, > >>>>strub > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On Saturday, 3 January 2015, 18:33, John D. Ament < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I'll be curious to see this when pushed. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Sat Jan 03 2015 at 12:18:10 PM Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>Hi! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I now removed the logging parts: it is not our job to integrate with > various logger frameworks. This should be done by the container/program who > uses us as dependency. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I also removed quite a few classes which are taken from the spring > framework. They are copyrighted to the original authors and we don't have > all rights for it! Those classes are trivial anyway and it would be simple > to put code from commons or write it ourselves. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>LieGrue, > >>>>>>strub > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>> > >>>Anatole Tresch > >>>Java Engineer & Architect, JSR Spec Lead > >>>Glärnischweg 10 > >>>CH - 8620 Wetzikon > >>> > >>> > >>>Switzerland, Europe Zurich, GMT+1 > >>>Twitter: @atsticks > >>>Blogs: http://javaremarkables.blogspot.ch/ > >>>Google: atsticks > >>>Mobile +41-76 344 62 79 > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >
