only the default databaseIP/url should be part of the 'internal' config. Or 
none at all!

You can still override this configuration via -D, env and probably we also come 
back to add JNDI by default... All those ConfigSources are 'external' to your 
application.


LieGrue,
strub





> On Wednesday, 7 January 2015, 10:48, Romain Manni-Bucau 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >T hink you didnt get it, you packaged the database IP, it changes and
> you dont repackage reading from inside the app? Give me the formula :p
> 
> 
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau
> http://www.tomitribe.com
> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
> https://github.com/rmannibucau
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-01-07 10:42 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <[email protected]>:
>>  no it's not useless because ALL the property files with this name will 
> get picked up. And the programmer is in full charge!
>>  And no, there is no code change required for the case you mentioned.
>> 
>> 
>>  LieGrue,
>>  strub
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>  On Wednesday, 7 January 2015, 10:30, Romain Manni-Bucau 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>  > sure but classpath config = hardcoded config so it is quite 
> useless.
>>>  Config makes sense when it is outside the app. All bundled config will
>>>  imply to modify the app/package if the environment changes -> this 
> is
>>>  code not config
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>  @rmannibucau
>>>  http://www.tomitribe.com
>>>  http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>>>  https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  2015-01-07 10:27 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <[email protected]>:
>>>>   we can do both. But how do you ship your application and what is 
> always
>>>  there? Exactly, the ClassPath.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   LieGrue,
>>>>   strub
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>   On Wednesday, 7 January 2015, 9:49, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>  <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>   > @Mark: read it from file system and not jars :p
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>   @rmannibucau
>>>>>   http://www.tomitribe.com
>>>>>   http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>>>>>   https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   2015-01-07 9:29 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg 
> <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>    Do you know the locations of your JSON files or do you 
> need
>>>  anything which
>>>>>   is not available during the app boot (e.g. CDI or EJB)? In 
> that case
>>>  you
>>>>>   don't even need to touch the ConfigurationContext.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Simply create a new class
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    public class MyAppJsonPropertySourceProvider implements
>>>>>   PropertySourceProvider {
>>>>>>      List<PropertySource> jsonSources = new
>>>  ArrayList<>();
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>      iterator over
>>>>>   classLoader.getResources("myownjsonconfigfile.json") 
> {
>>>>>>        jsonSources.add(new JSONPropertySource(jsonFileUrl);
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>      }
>>>>>>      return jsonSources;
>>>>>>    }
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    and then create a file
>>>>>>   
> META-INF/services/org.apache.tamaya.spi.PropertySourceProvider
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    and write your fully qualified 
> MyAppJsonPropertySourceProvider
>>>  class name
>>>>>   into it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    That's it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    But to be honest. The JSON configuration is nice but what 
> benefit
>>>  does it
>>>>>   have over a property file which you get out of the box?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    LieGrue,
>>>>>>    strub
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    On Wednesday, 7 January 2015, 9:07, Oliver B. Fischer
>>>>>   <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>    > Because I am unable to see how to turn this
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    JSONPropertySource source 
> =newJSONPropertySource(...);
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    ConfigurationContext context = 
> ConfigurationContext.context();
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    context.addPropertySources(source);
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    in a Configuration...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Oliver
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Am 07.01.15 um 08:53 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau:
>>>>>>>>     Did I miss the reason in this thread or why a 
> provider
>>>  doesnt
>>>>>   solve it?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>>>>     @rmannibucau
>>>>>>>>   http://www.tomitribe.com
>>>>>>>>   http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>>>>>>>>   https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     2015-01-07 8:49 GMT+01:00 Oliver B. Fischer
>>>>>>>    <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>     This is the scenario for huge classic 
> enterprises.
>>>  There are
>>>>>   many
>>>>>>>    companies
>>>>>>>>>     working in a more agile fashion there with 
> not such
>>>  and strict
>>>>>>>    destinction
>>>>>>>>>     between these roles. And I am not willing to 
> leave
>>>  them
>>>>>   behind.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     Oliver
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     Am 07.01.15 um 00:41 schrieb Anatole Tresch:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>     No. Configuratipn is the api for end 
> users. Users
>>>  that
>>>>>   provide app
>>>>>>>    config
>>>>>>>>>>     and consume it are not the same than the 
> one that
>>>  define
>>>>>   how
>>>>>>>    apps/solutions
>>>>>>>>>>     have to be configured. The ladder may be 
> lead
>>>  engineers ,
>>>>>   or in
>>>>>>>    case you
>>>>>>>>>>     have a platform the platform and 
> technical
>>>  srchitects...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>     -
>>>>>>>>>>     Anatole Tresch
>>>>>>>>>>     Glärnischweg 10
>>>>>>>>>>     8620 Wetzikon
>>>>>>>>>>     Tel +41 (43) 317 05 30
>>>>>>>>>>     -
>>>>>>>>>>     Send from Mobile
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>     Am 06.01.2015 um 23:58 schrieb 
> "Oliver
>>>  B.
>>>>>   Fischer"
>>>>>>>>>>>     <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>     I think a lot of user will use
>>>  ConfigurationContext to
>>>>>>>    configure their
>>>>>>>>>>>     configuration system. I think it is 
> easier to
>>>  put some
>>>>>   files
>>>>>>>    into the
>>>>>>>>>>>     filesystem and to read this files 
> then to
>>>  deal with
>>>>>   the SPI
>>>>>>>    stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>     Sometimes I have the impression that 
> many of
>>>  us have a
>>>>>   very
>>>>>>>    biased view
>>>>>>>>>>>     on configuration by coming from a 
> Java EE
>>>  environment.
>>>>>   This is
>>>>>>>    ok and I miss
>>>>>>>>>>>     my GlassFish sometimes but think of 
> dumb
>>>  programmer
>>>>>   who wants
>>>>>>>    to read a file
>>>>>>>>>>>     simply from /etc/service/config.ext 
> and
>>>  override these
>>>>>   defaults
>>>>>>>    with
>>>>>>>>>>>     ~/.config.ext and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>     Oliver
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Am 06.01.15 um 23:47 schrieb 
> Reinhard
>>>  Sandtner:
>>>>>>>>>>>>     my first idea was to add the 
> method
>>>  getContext()
>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>    Configuration but i
>>>>>>>>>>>>     think if someone is able to use 
> the SPI,
>>>  they can
>>>>>   do it on
>>>>>>>    their own.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     i think a 'normal‘ user 
> should not
>>>  see the
>>>>>>>    configurationContext at all
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>     lg
>>>>>>>>>>>>     reini
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Am 06.01.2015 um 23:43 
> schrieb Oliver
>>>  B.
>>>>>   Fischer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     
> <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Guys, I missed somehow how 
> to get a
>>>>>   Configuration from
>>>>>>>    the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ConfigurationContext.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     BTW: I will add this method 
> to
>>>>>   ConfigurationContext:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          public static
>>>  ConfigurationContext
>>>>>   current(){
>>>>>>>>>>>>>              return
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
> ServiceContext.getInstance().getService(ConfigurationContext.class).get();
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          }
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Oliver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     N Oliver B. Fischer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     A Schönhauser Allee 64, 
> 10437 Berlin,
>>>>>>>    Deutschland/Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     P +49 30 44793251
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     M +49 178 7903538
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     E [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     S oliver.b.fischer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     J 
> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     X http://xing.to/obf
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>     --
>>>>>>>>>>>     N Oliver B. Fischer
>>>>>>>>>>>     A Schönhauser Allee 64, 10437 
> Berlin,
>>>>>   Deutschland/Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>     P +49 30 44793251
>>>>>>>>>>>     M +49 178 7903538
>>>>>>>>>>>     E [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>     S oliver.b.fischer
>>>>>>>>>>>     J [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>     X http://xing.to/obf
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     --
>>>>>>>>>     N Oliver B. Fischer
>>>>>>>>>     A Schönhauser Allee 64, 10437 Berlin,
>>>  Deutschland/Germany
>>>>>>>>>     P +49 30 44793251
>>>>>>>>>     M +49 178 7903538
>>>>>>>>>     E [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>     S oliver.b.fischer
>>>>>>>>>     J [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>     X http://xing.to/obf
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>>    N Oliver B. Fischer
>>>>>>>    A Schönhauser Allee 64, 10437 Berlin, 
> Deutschland/Germany
>>>>>>>    P +49 30 44793251
>>>>>>>    M +49 178 7903538
>>>>>>>    E [email protected]
>>>>>>>    S oliver.b.fischer
>>>>>>>    J [email protected]
>>>>>>>    X http://xing.to/obf
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
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