Ahhhhh! Somebody finally said something about migrating from T3 -> T5. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:54 PM To: Tapestry development Subject: was Re: Tapestry 5 Discussions
I think your points are completely valid as well Danny. Perhaps my first reaction to your original posting was more of an emotional response than rational. Honestly speaking - even though I didn't start out with the intention - Tapestry has sort of become a business for me as well. (and obviously Howard) If something is going to drive away a lot of users, or create the impression that Tapestry isn't "business friendly" then it's probably going to ultimately hurt me as well. So, from that perspective it is a very real concern. Perhaps my original suggestion of creating a T4 > T5 upgrade library isn't what is needed so much as a T3 > T5 upgrade? I'm very begrudgingly willing to develop "a" library to do something like this, it will make a lot of users happy and give me a chance to play with/understand as much of T5 as will be necessary if I ever hope to make a contribution to it. I'm just not understanding if the community is worried about upgrading or learning new ways of doing things? If it is the learning aspect of things I think we can clear it up with some more discussion. From what little I know of the current/future T5 design goals it should be the same basic idea of having a component framework, just with much less code writing work on users shoulders. (among many other things). What is it going to take to make the Tapestry user/developer community happy? I'm probably going to continue to fight and try to justify T5's design as the best choice to bring Tapestry into the future, but if it's just upgrade worries then I think we might have something to work with. On 7/31/06, Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jesse, > > You make your points well, I'd like to re-enforce this one if I may... > > > Once you figure out how everything works of course everyone generally > loves > > it, but that's still an issue. > > Its a huge issue and a big bar to upgrade. It completely undermines > Tapestry's advantage of having been first to market, because we face that > "new framework" cost *again* and many commercial users will surely be > considering whether spending *again* on Tapestry is a more mature decision > that spending to adopt a more mainstream framework, like JSF, which is > supported by people who understand the commercial impact of changing the > framework. > > As a user I would have hoped that Tapestry would be settled into an > evolutionary development rather than a revolutionary one, by now. I'm > looking for increasing stability and maturity with time from any framework > we use, not a continual revolution which leaves me sweating about cost, > the > availability of skills and the risk of moving from a known to an unknown > codebase. > > > d. > > > > **************************************************************************** *************************** > The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the > addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the > message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or > disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are > capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any > responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this > reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an > e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans > Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for > viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions > and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not > reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limited. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the > presence of computer viruses. > > > **************************************************************************** **************************** > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Jesse Kuhnert Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer Open source based consulting work centered around dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
