Does this resistance to abstracting means that tapestry will not be usable
without
javascript support ?

I actualy don't mind it, since I focus my developement on moz/IE only after
all.
minimal dojo sounds fine to me


how about following:
- default: minimal-dojo
- pure: no-js

components that can not be used without dojo should not be inside core
framework,
they belong to the contrib.

client validation could be pluggable


Davor Hrg


On 1/9/07, Kent Tong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RonPiterman <rpiterman <at> gmx.net> writes:

> Its not the download time, its the bootstrapping on each request which
> makes things heavy...

Have you measured the time taken for dojo to bootstrap? That file is
only 14K and only defines a dozen of functions and some variables
(http://trac.dojotoolkit.org/browser/trunk/src/bootstrap1.js). I
am not sure this is going to slow down the browser.

> If one does not need widgets but "just" wants to use EventListener and
> async requests, maybe also client side validation, why not let the
> programmer/community the ability to choose a JS framework implementation
-

The questions are:
1) Is the other JS framework not subjected to the same bootstrap issue?
2) Is the effect to fix this issue in dojo larger than that of creating
& *maintaining* an abstraction layer?

> I don't have much experience with scriptacuolus but it seems fair enough
> to me to use - prototype has also some listener implementation, and as
> much as dojo may be supperior, we pay a price for it, which we don't
> have to pay... more important: it apears to me to be a solid criteria in
> choosing a web framework - for a "normal" site, I find it hard ro
> recommend a framework with such a slow responsiveness...

Is this experience based on the pre-packaged dojo.js or a bare mimimal
dojo?

--
Kent Tong
Author of a book for learning Tapestry (http://www.agileskills2.org/EWDT)


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