Absolutely. All I was saying we need to vote on the exact bits that are to be officially released rather than package it up later. I don't think we have a suitable "buildable source" package in the wild to vote on.
Kalle On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <hls...@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, there's no reason not to run a vote on the bits "already in the > wild". The only difference would be that after a succesful vote, we could > move the stuff in ~hlship/public_html/tapestry-releases to the right > locations, and release the artifacts to the central Maven repository. > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Kalle Korhonen > <kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Sure, I remember it well and I agree the light-overhead staging release > > process has worked well for the alphas. However, it's up to us to decide > > when to make an official Apache release though and it's official only > when > > we put the tagged source on the /dist. I think the time is now. Regarding > > naming, 5.4-beta-1 works well. If we clearly label this a beta, then > > there's no point adding GA for the numbered only (5.4.0) release when we > > decide to remove (to make the first release without) the beta label. This > > will also work great for version ranges. If we stick with the > conventional > > definition of a beta, we are making the software available outside the > > development organization. Nowadays, deploying the bits to Maven central > is > > the best way to get more exposure. > > > > Howard, I know you are allergic to any processes but it's an accepted > > convention that we (any ASF project) make the source available for review > > and vote on that. I'm not absolutely sure we can simply take a vote on > the > > staging release you generated as we don't have source tarball. (There's > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/staging/org/apache/tapestry/tapestry-core/5.4-beta-1/tapestry-core-5.4-beta-1-sources.jarbut > > I don't think it qualifies as a buildable source). I'm sure Massimo > > would be more than happy to act as a release manager, or I can work > through > > it as well. There's still time to make it a nice Christmas gift to the > > Tapestry community! > > > > Kalle > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <hls...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > We had a big discussion about this stuff in the archives and I believe > > I've > > > been following the procedure we arrived at. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo < > > > thiag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I guess the rationale here, changing from alpha to beta, is to say > that > > > an > > > > alpha is a work in progress with no backward compatibility promise in > > new > > > > APIs, while beta is more of a release candidate and something > > considered > > > > stable. Am I right? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:37:48 -0200, Massimo Lusetti < > > mluse...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with Kalle. > > > >> > > > >> Actually I don't know if we have to change the naming convention or > > not > > > to > > > >> have a full release which is not really declared "stable" or > "general > > > >> availability" (GA) but I've never seen a *-beta-1 release on > > > >> repo1.maven.org > > > >> > > > >> Anyway a more exposure of the current "beta" will produce an even > more > > > >> stable GA release ... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Kalle Korhonen < > > > >> kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> Personally, I really think we should release/should have released > the > > > >>> beta > > > >>> as a proper Apache release that has been voted on and that the the > > bits > > > >>> would have been released through official channels (published on > > /dist > > > >>> and > > > >>> maven central). Now nothing really changed between alpha and beta > > > preview > > > >>> releases besides the tag. > > > >>> > > > >>> Kalle > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Howard Lewis Ship < > > hls...@gmail.com > > > >>> >wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > Following a beta release vote, I've generated the first beta > > preview > > > >>> > release of Apache Tapestry 5.4. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > The bundles version of Bootstrap has been updated to 3.0.3, and > > > jQuery > > > >>> to > > > >>> > 1.10.2. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Tapestry now bundles moment.js, and adds new components LocalDate > > and > > > >>> > TimeInterval. LocalDate displays a date/time formatted by the > > client, > > > >>> in > > > >>> > the client's time zone. TimeInterval displays a time interval > > between > > > >>> two > > > >>> > points, such as "3 hours"; if the start or end time is omitted, > it > > > >>> > dynamically updates using the current time .. great for > displaying > > > time > > > >>> > until an auction ends, or time since a blog post was updated. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > There's also been some fixes for broken localized messages. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Tapestry preview releases are available via Maven, from the > Apache > > > >>> Staging > > > >>> > repository: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/staging > > > >>> > > > > >>> > -- > > > >>> > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Creator of Apache Tapestry > > > >>> > > > > >>> > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact > me > > > to > > > >>> > learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! > > > >>> > > > > >>> > (971) 678-5210 > > > >>> > http://howardlewisship.com > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo > > > > Tapestry, Java and Hibernate consultant and developer > > > > http://machina.com.br > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > > > > > Creator of Apache Tapestry > > > > > > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to > > > learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! > > > > > > (971) 678-5210 > > > http://howardlewisship.com > > > > > > > > > -- > Howard M. 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