Thank you to everyone who joined the gathering today. A summary of the discussions is included below. The next gathering is currently scheduled for Jan 29 at 16:00 UTC. Please let me know if you're interested in joining and if any change of schedule would be helpful.
Attendance: - Cole Greer - Pieter Martin - Yang Xia - Ken Hu Transactions: The largest topic of conversation was transactions in TinkerPop 4. The discussion covered many of the differences between embedded and remote transactions in TP3, and how there is some intentions to unify this in TP4. SQLG is primarily concerned with the embedded use case, and the existing model works well for those purposes. The existing remote transaction model cannot be retained in TP4 as its tightly coupled to sessions, which no longer present in TP4. The way that embedded transactions are currently bound to threads does not translate naturally to GLVs such as gremlin-js. Compatibility with frameworks such as Spring Boot was raised as a key requirement. There was substantial discussion around if TinkerPop should force the scoping of a transaction to a single thread, if they could be allowed to migrate between threads, or if the API should leave it open to implementers. The conversation model in JBoss Seam was raised as a potentially interesting case study to investigate. All parties expressed interest in continuing to look at other database implementations for inspiration, considering what requirements make sense for TinkerPop, and continuing the open [DISCUSS] threads to build consensus on this matter. JPMS: There were discussions of if TinkerPop should move to adopt JPMS. All parties agreed that modularization would be a good result for TinkerPop, there were concerns raised that lack of support from our current dependencies may create challenges with adoption as well as limiting the upside. Extensibility of the grammar: Some discussion resurfaced around a past devlist post to allow providers to extend the grammar (https://lists.apache.org/thread/528f5od4d9jrvw9mn0b6xlhtfhvddfoc). It was raised as a nice to have to limit the differences between embedded and remote usages. There was no discussion on the mechanics of implementing such capabilities. Dependencies: TinkerPop should strive to the number of dependencies (many are redundant or have limited usage). Semantics Documentation: There was support raised for a more clear distinction between the gremlin language specification and the reference implementation in TinkerPop. The gremlin semantics docs are progressing towards becoming a complete language specification, however that work is not complete and much of gremlin currently remains defined by the reference implementation. Thanks, Cole On 2026/01/12 23:24:48 Cole Greer wrote: > Hi Andrii and Yang, > > I've tentatively scheduled this series of gatherings to begin this Thursday > (Jan 15) at 16:00 UTC. I've scheduled the gathering to repeat every 2 weeks. > This can of course always be altered based on availability and interest. > > I've sent a calendar invite to everyone who has replied here, as well as Ken > and Pieter who expressed interest in Discord. Feel free to forward the invite > to anyone else who is interested, and I will continue inviting anyone who > asks. > > Others may use the following link to join the meeting as well: > https://teams.microsoft.com/l/meetup-join/19%3ameeting_MTk3OTIxYzktYTU1MC00YzQzLTllM2MtMzk5YjdjMzk5MDli%40thread.v2/0?context=%7b%22Tid%22%3a%22f2267c2e-5a54-49f4-84fa-e4f2f4038a2e%22%2c%22Oid%22%3a%22f3bad5a5-c1a2-4172-b5ad-54f2ac72b2c8%22%7d > > Thanks, > Cole > > On 2026/01/12 17:34:16 Yang Xia wrote: > > Hi Cole, > > > > Thanks for setting these up! I like the idea of having the meeting on Teams > > instead of Discord, it helps to mark them in my calendar. > > > > I'm open to Wednesdays, but I do have an alternative commitment at 8:30am > > PT, so I'd prefer Tuesday or Thursday if possible, in case the discussions > > go long. > > > > Will the meetings start at the end of January? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Yang > > > > On 2026/01/10 05:29:24 Andrii Lomakin wrote: > > > Good day, Cool. > > > Please include me in invite. > > > > > > On Fri, 9 Jan 2026, 23:48 Cole Greer via dev, <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > I’d like to propose the establishment of recurring meetings to assist > > > > with > > > > engagement and alignment across the TinkerPop community. > > > > I envision these meetings as a place where folks can discuss any ideas, > > > > concerns, or goals they may have related to TinkerPop. All > > > > formal proposals and development decisions will remain in the dev list. > > > > These meetings would be open to anyone who’d like to join, > > > > and meeting notes would be taken and posted back to the devlist for > > > > anyone > > > > who couldn’t attend. > > > > > > > > I think that approximately once every 2 weeks is a good cadence for > > > > these > > > > meetings. As most of the folks I see active here are located > > > > in Europe and North America, I think a time of 16:00 UTC (17:00 CET, > > > > 08:00 > > > > PST) is a good compromise to start with. I’m certainly open > > > > to other meetings times as folks express their availability. If these > > > > meetings draw interest from folks in Asia, Europe, and the Americas, > > > > then I would suggest we adopt a rotation of times such that there are > > > > some > > > > meetings available at a reasonable time to everyone who is > > > > interested. > > > > > > > > I’d suggest scheduling the meetings every 2nd Wednesday, although > > > > Tuesdays > > > > or Thursdays are also good if anyone expresses a > > > > preference. > > > > > > > > If there is sufficient interest, I would expect these new meetings to > > > > take > > > > the place of our current gathering on Discord. I would send > > > > invites to a Teams meeting to anyone who is interested, as well as > > > > making > > > > a meeting link publicly available. Anyone will be able to join > > > > without creating an account, as well as optionally via a browser. > > > > > > > > Please let me know if you are interested in such meetings and if you > > > > have > > > > any preferences on scheduling. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cole > > > > > > > > > >
