Hi Stephen,

sorry, I don't understand why you need to have a default implementation in
gremlin-core? Why not just call property(key,value) and leave it up to the
graph implementation to handle how that is implemented? A default method
implementation is just a convenience that Java affords - I missing the
piece where this becomes a necessity for you.

Thanks,
Matthias

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:35 AM Stephen Mallette <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Sorry to be dredging up some old business with respect to the settled issue
> of the default cardinatlity of property(k,v) which we some time ago voted
> to leave up to vendors.  We further decided to make sure that in the tests
> we always called property(cardinality, k, v) and use features to
> appropriately filter the test suite when executed by vendors.
>
> What that didn't address was how we internally utilize property(k,v) within
> gremlin-core.  The core example here would be with IO where we want to
> provide internal "getOrCreate" functionality.  What should that
> "getOrCreate" do on create for properties?  If we were to explicitly call:
>
> property(list, k, v)
>
> as we do in tests, and the graph didn't support it, there might be a
> problem.  alternatively, if a graph did support it, and the user wanted it
> to execute as "single", then that would be a problem too.
>
> There's lots of discussion rabbit holes to go down here, but ultimately I
> think that we can honor the previous vote and support what we want if we
> implement a suggestion from Marko:
>
> public default Property property(k,v) {
>   return supportsMultiProperties ?  property(list, k, v) : property(single,
> k, v)
> }
>
> then internally (within gremlin-core) we always use property(k,v) to set a
> property (tests will continue to use explicit cardinality since that's
> already working with feature checks).  Vendors can choose to override this
> method as needed, with the understanding that internal calls from
> gremlin-core will use it for defaults.
>
> For the user:
>
> 1. They should consult their vendor implementation for their default
> operations in this area.
> 2. They should feature check their own code to be vendor agnostic.
> 3. They can avoid gremlin internals as needed and use supply their own
> getOrCreate functions thus allowing a finer degree of control (e.g. maybe
> one property key is to be loaded as list but all others should be single.
>
> If anyone has any thoughts or better ways to settle this, please let me
> know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stephen
>

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