+1

Down with vendors, Up with implementers.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]>
wrote:

> If memory serves, we've only used "vendor" for as long as TP3 has been
> around.  I swear those who built on top of Blueprints were "Blueprints
> Implementers".  If they built Gremlin (e.g. gremlin-scala) then we had
> "Gremlin Implementers".  I'm not sure we went so far to say "Rexster
> Implementers", but the idea is sound.  Anywho, "Implementers" does the
> trick for me.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Fitzgerald <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > +1 for dropping "vendor"
> > On Oct 5, 2015 11:39 AM, "David Robinson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > We may agree, Marko, on the discussion around "vendor", but some things
> > > just aren't worth it.
> > > By strict definition, not opinion, it does define someone selling
> > > something.
> > >
> > > If the term is offensive, let's pick a new term we try to en-grain in
> our
> > > behavior and move on.
> > >
> > > We can focus on more important things - like helping our vendors...I
> mean
> > > "TP Implementors" use this cool think called TinkerPop/Gremlin.
> > >
> > > Here are two suggestions to place on the vote list for terminology:
> > >
> > > a) Application Developers - those leveraging the Gremlin Language /
> APIs
> > on
> > > top of an implementation - be that Titan, Orient, Neo4J, Flink, Spark,
> > > whatever.
> > >
> > > a) TinkerPop Implementers (or Implementers for short) - those that
> > > implement an underlying system, whether for sale or not, that expose
> the
> > > Gremlin Language / API.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Pp-otik-ner
> > > >
> > > > It seems that the mentors are adverse to the term "vendor" even
> though
> > as
> > > > the mentees have explained Hadoop, Spark, Gremlin-Scala, gremlin-php,
> > > etc.
> > > > are all considered "vendors." That is, anything that implements the
> > > > TinkerPop3 API regardless of them being commercial or otherwise is a
> > > vendor.
> > > >
> > > > With that said (and known), we can continually go back and forth with
> > > "No.
> > > > 'vendor' means this." "Uh uh, it doesn't -- it means this." "That
> makes
> > > no
> > > > sense cause to me it means this."
> > > >
> > > > If we are going to get TinkerPop out of the malaise of personal
> > opinions
> > > > and arguments about meaning in the English language (in zeitgeist), I
> > say
> > > > we bring this to a collective VOTE which includes the whole community
> > > (i.e.
> > > > gremlin-users@ as well). I would frame the vote as:
> > > >
> > > >         "Should TinkerPop abstain from its use of the word 'vendor'
> (to
> > > > categorize graph system and graph language implementers) because, to
> > you,
> > > > it strongly implies commercial interest?"
> > > >
> > > > With that vote tally, we can then do accordingly and from then on, no
> > > > individual's personal opinion about the meaning of "vendor" will be
> > > > considered a valid argument given that language is a socially
> > constructed
> > > > phenomena.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?,
> > > > Marko.
> > > >
> > > > http://markorodriguez.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



-- 
Have a good one,
Jason

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