My take on GraphQL is almost identical to Matt F's, even to the remarks on
how its name is confusing.
To convert a GraphQL statement like the following example into a TP3 query:
{
user(id: 3500401) {
ID,
name,
isViewerFriend,
profilePicture(size: 50) {
uri,
width,
height
}
}}
graph meta data has to be applied, but that alone might not be enough. In
the example, ID could
be a property on user, another vertex or even an edge label or property.
But since there is nothing
that forces ID to be unique, it could be all the above in a graph, making
the query, even with
meta data ambiguous. If something was "hard coded" for a particular
query/graph set of scenarios
this might work. But as Matt said, it doesn't seem good for general
purpose graph queries.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Daniel, it sounds like we need to quickly turn and correct any conversation
> that introduces the perception that "non-individuals" are doing stuff in
> our project (even when that is not really what the intention is). Your
> cartoonish example, as you called it, made sense to me.
>
> I think HipChat is a good place to start as well. It sounded like a lot of
> folks wanted to join to hear what was going on here, it seems like
> scheduling a time when a talk could happen would be good. Jon, maybe you
> could throw out a few days when you might be able to join the HipChat room
> and we could converge on something that works.
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2015 11:05 AM, "Marko Rodriguez" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hey Jon,
> >
> > Perhaps lets start slow and surefooted by jumping into TinkerPop's Apache
> > HipChat room sometime this week. The public URL for anyone to join and
> chat
> > is here:
> >
> > https://www.hipchat.com/gz5JlgJBC
> >
> > This way Gruno can monitor the discussion and if he feels comfortable
> with
> > how things are unfolding, then we can increase the bandwidth accordingly.
> >
> > I'm in there all day 5 days a week, but if you want to propose a specific
> > time, please do.
> >
> > Marko.
> >
> > http://markorodriguez.com
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2015, at 5:44 AM, Daniel Gruno <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 10/11/2015 03:30 AM, Jonathan Schneider wrote:
> > >> I hope this is simply another case of misunderstanding.
> > >
> > > If anything, it might be a misunderstanding of what I wrote back.
> > > Companies can contribute to ASF projects, they can collaborate with
> > > projects, but both they AND we must do so as individuals - checking
> > > their company privileges, rules and hats at the door. The TinkerPop
> > > project cannot collaborate with a company, as we simply don't do that
> > > (ever), but they can collaborate with individuals of that company
> acting
> > > as individuals. My reply was as much a clarification of terms
> > > (contributors and collaborators) as it was a guideline.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I do not mean to imply that there should be some relationship between
> > >> Netflix as an organization and the Tinkerpop project, merely that
> there
> > are
> > >> a number of parties that are working on different sides of this
> problem
> > and
> > >> it would be beneficial to have a quick live discussion about whether
> > >> Tinkerpop fits into this or not.
> > >>
> > >> The word "call" may have implied a private meeting as well, which was
> > not
> > >> at all the intent. Can we host something on Apache Hipchat, Hangouts,
> > or
> > >> whatever other medium is available that would allow anybody to join?
> > >> Perhaps recorded?
> > >
> > > Again, this depends on the independence of the people you are talking
> to
> > > and the outcome. If this is an Apache (or MIT/BSD-style) licensed open
> > > source project, then you are of course welcome to add support for it,
> > > provided you handle the press/marketing/announcement around it in a
> > > neutral manner, so as to not give the impression that any favors have
> > > been played here (I'm quite well aware of the _why_ here, but public
> > > perception is also a key element in staying neutral. Not only must we
> > > act neutral, we must also tell it in a neutral way).
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Daniel - I hope you don't mean to imply that there can be no
> > collaboration
> > >> between ASF projects and open source projects that happen to be
> steered
> > by
> > >> private companies. That seems painfully limiting if true.
> > >
> > > That was not what I was implying, no. But, as stated above, you cannot
> > > collaborate with a company, only the individuals in that company.
> > >
> > > GOOD: We just collaborated with committers from the XYZ project
> > > BAD: We just had a conf call with $company folks, and their boss
> says...
> > >
> > > The above is a bit cartoonish, but I hope it illustrates my point.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > > Daniel.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Jon
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:04 PM Daniel Gruno <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 10/10/2015 07:43 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
> > >>>> Hello Jon,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Netflix has recently released a similar library called Falcor
> > >>>>> <http://netflix.github.io/falcor/>. They are optimized for
> slightly
> > >>>>> different uses, but are both angling at solving the over/under
> > fetching
> > >>>>> problem and are more or less equivalent.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Gotcha.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Netflix has a need for a solid binding between Falcor/GraphQL and
> > >>> Tinkerpop
> > >>>>> immediately and I'm sure several of us could help. Could we set up
> > an
> > >>>>> introductory call with the Netflix UI Engineering, Platform, and
> > >>>>> Engineering Tools teams that are all hacking at this from different
> > >>> angles?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Excellent. Yes, lets have a call. However, before I commit lets wait
> > for
> > >>> an answer to:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> MENTORS: Is it "okay" to have a phone call (thus "off list") with a
> > >>> commercial entity to talk about their use of TinkerPop and about
> > potential
> > >>> collaborations?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> It's not okay for the Tinkerpop project, and it's not okay to discuss
> > >>> this on the dev list.
> > >>> If you, as an individual, want to make that phone call, fine, but as
> a
> > >>> project, Tinkerpop must be completely vendor neutral.
> > >>>
> > >>> Companies cannot - I repeat cannot - collaborate with a project. They
> > >>> can sponsor items (without their branding on), and they can pay devs
> to
> > >>> program as *independent individuals* (provided they gain the merit
> for
> > >>> this), but companies themselves cannot contribute to an ASF project
> and
> > >>> likewise, the ASF cannot contribute to or collaborate with companies.
> > >>>
> > >>> With regards,
> > >>> Daniel.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
