Hi, I wrote an email to Emil about their belittling/misinformation approach. He has since updated their openCypher blog post.
Marko. http://markorodriguez.com On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey, > > After reading Stephen's reply, I was like -- "huh, sure." I didn't really > don't care one way or another until I just read this: > > http://neo4j.com/blog/open-cypher-sql-for-graphs/ > > Look at the tone and lies that Neo4j is portraying. > > * Marko Rodriguez as "just some buddy of Emil's." > * Aurelius is some company. No, its called DataStax. > * Not once is Apache TinkerPop discussed or referenced -- "just Marko > and a band of merry 'graphistas'."?! > * DataStax is NOT involved in their efforts for OpenCypher. > > The problem with Neo4j is they are corrupt. They use lies to control the > population. If we support Cypher in TinkerPop (like actively put it into the > repository as a distribution) we will see press releases like: > > * TinkerPop drops Gremlin in favor of Cypher. > * TinkerPop realizes that Cypher is the superior language. > * TinkerPop follows Neo4j in learning how to do graph processing the > right way. > * etc. > > Its going to be a bunch malarky like that that I don't want surrounding our > project. It would behoove us to be smart about how we interact with people > like this as they will use every opportunity they can to destroy our project > to better their economic efforts. > > I don't do lies nor interact with people who use misinformation and deception > to get "ahead," > Marko. > > http://markorodriguez.com > > On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:35 AM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'd be open to have cypher and sparql as first class citizens of The >> TinkerPop. As I see it, there are two groups of graph users on the fringe >> of TinkerPop and they live in the cypher world and in the RDF world. >> Having both of these projects in TinkerPop would allow us to reach both of >> those communities. Doing so would help to expand usage and potentially >> attract more committers. >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I (personally) am interested in getting another language into TinkerPop's >>> distribution. I see an imbalance in the following table: >>> >>> TinkerGraph | Gremlin-Java8 >>> Neo4j | Gremlin-Groovy >>> Hadoop | NOTHING >>> >>> That is, we have 3 graph distributions, why not have 3 language >>> distributions. Moreover, I don't want yet another Gremlin-JVMLang language >>> as that doesn't showcase the virtual machine aspects of Gremlin as well as, >>> for example: SPARQL-Gremlin or SQL-Gremlin. >>> >>> I (personally) am NOT interested in openCypher as the 3rd language >>> distribution for the following 2 reasons: >>> >>> 1. It will be at least a year+ before it culminates into something. >>> 2. It doesn't fold a different computing space into TinkerPop. >>> >>> To expand on #2, Hadoop is NOT typically seen as a graph system, but with >>> TinkerPop, we have Hadoop serving as a graph engine. With SPARQL, we pull >>> in the RDF guys (thats cool). With SQL, we pull in the world. I sorta >>> prefer SPARQL as its an easy language to handle (thanks in part to Apache >>> Jena). With SQL we have Apache Calcite offering help, but SQL is nasty >>> looking for graph queries and is just suuuuuch a beast of a language that >>> it would need someone dedicated to its maintenance/evolution. >>> >>> Anywho -- thats what I think about another language in TinkerPop. I'm pro >>> SPARQL-Gremlin if it matures and people are excited about it. >>> https://github.com/dkuppitz/sparql-gremlin >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Marko. >>> >>> http://markorodriguez.com >>> >>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:45 AM, pieter-gmail <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Is a opencypher <http://neo4j.com/blog/open-cypher-sql-for-graphs/> -> >>>> gremlin compiler something the tinkerpop team would consider >>> implementing? >>>> Perhaps, hopefully with help from neo4j themselves. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Pieter >>> >>> >
