Hi David, > Now seemed like an appropriate time to follow up on this thread around a > separate TinkerPop enablement site. > Thank you for planting the seed on that thought. ...
DataStax has already moved forward with Planet TinkerPop (tinkerland.com URL was already taken). The vendor mailing list has already been set up, the artwork has already been commissioned and the main content written (still in DRAFT). In other words, a little too late... We can discuss more on the Planet TinkerPop mailing list. Do you have an account? Take care, Marko. http://markorodriguez.com > An ASF run site is a good solution that provides a ready infrastructure for > hosting a site along with assurances > of equal footing for all vendors through the built in governance of the ASF > that would come with the site. > > I am sure the community will appreciate the importance of the governance > aspects of the site if we are all > participating - which I hope we do. > > The enablement site would fall under the auspices of the project PMC. As I > understand it, other projects often have > at least one PMC member whose role is to work on enablement (not code > check-ins to the project), > which is something we can discuss as a community to see if that idea is > beneficial for us. > > I've checked with a few ASF members and the sorts of materials you refer to > in your previous post are the sorts > of materials we could move forward with on the site. There was no > discussion on "technology" of the site but I am sure > we can work through those topics. > > Once our community agrees on a name for the site, the process for getting > the site going is relatively > easy. (A name that is geared towards business is my recommendation - > whatever that turns out to be). > > So an ASF hosted enablement site is the proposal to the community. What > does everyone else think ? > > > > On 2015-11-23 11:37, Marko Rodriguez <o...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Jason (cc: Robin Schumacher and Shane Curcuru (Apache VP of Brand > Management)),> >> >>> I think a Planet TinkerPop could work out really well, however I would > hope> >>> that the core TinkerPop documentation remains with the Apache project.> >>> My gripe with Cassandra is that pretty much all of the documentation is > on> >>> the DataStax site, not with its Apache project. Only the CQL spec is > out> >>> under http://cassandra.apache.org/doc/.> >> >> No, I do not want documentation to go over to "TinkerLand." Apache > TinkerPop needs to be a self contained body of work which includes our > code, distributions, homepage, documentation, (our) tutorials, etc. > TinkerPop is different than Cassandra in that TinkerPop needs to work with > ALL graph system providers (commercial or otherwise). Thus, we need to make > sure that TinkerPop has an autonomy that is inviting to all providers. That > means, we can't have our work distributed across domain boundaries. We need > http://apache.tinkerpop.org to be rich and strong and stand on its own.> >> >> However, I don't think we can do it all ourselves and I think DataStax > throwing resources to make polished content is a good idea.> >> >> 1. DataStax written tutorials helping less technical people get up to > speed on TinkerPop.> >> - We are lacking in this area. I gave a workshop on TinkerPop > last week and spent an hour or so going over our docs … and it finally > dawned on me that our docs are extremely academic. :| My writing style is > NOT conducive to the everyday developer.> >> - Stephen started the "Tutorials" section which we should > continue to blow out as we (TinkerPop) need to have getting started docs of > our own.> >> - However, DataStax will have a different style trying to appeal > to the developer masses and this can help broaden TinkerPop's adoption.> >> 2. DataStax videos helping organizations learn how to use TinkerPop.> >> - We aren't doing any of this and if there are professional > videos on TinkerPop out there, that would be huge for TinkerPop.> >> - Ketrina emailed me saying she would be interested in helping to > animate the videos! --- and I think we could do well by having our concepts > explained using Ketrina's approach.> >> http://csillustrated.berkeley.edu/illustrations.php> >> 3. A repository for blogs/articles.> >> - TinkerPop references blog posts on its homepage, but it does > not maintain a blog.> >> - I think that articles and blogs should NOT be apart of > TinkerPop (homepage) as we really need to promote the institutions that are > supporting this work. When I do an article about TinkerPop, its important > to me that its on the DataStax engineering blog as it gives credit to > institution that enables me to work on TinkerPop everyday. We can't do this > with code/docs/etc. (nor should we), so its nice to be able to kick back > where we can and I think institutional articles and blogs is a great way to > do it.> >> >> Anyone else have any comments? As far as I know (Shane please comment), > from a legal standpoint, DataStax can do as they please making > tutorials/videos/writeups/etc. about TinkerPop. However, we (Marko now as > DataStax) want to make sure that we address any concerns that the TinkerPop > community has … moreover, we want to gather any ideas on how we can make > TinkerLand a success.> >> >> Thanks Jason,> >> Marko.> >> >> http://markorodriguez.com> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote:> >>>> >>>> Hello TinkerPop dev@ (cc: Robin Schumacher (DataStax) and Ketrina Yim> >>>> (our lady of light)),> >>>>> >>>> DataStax is interested in doing an Apache TinkerPop resources page > much> >>>> like they do for Apache Cassandra w/ Planet Cassandra (> >>>> http://www.planetcassandra.org/).> >>>>> >>>> As you may or may not know, I work for DataStax and thus, I thought > it> >>>> important to run this by the community first to collect community > ideas.> >>>> Conversations are bouncing around the following ideas:> >>>>> >>>> 1. Professional training videos about TinkerPop.> >>>> 2. Professional "in the wild"-videos showcasing TinkerPop's > use> >>>> around the world.> >>>> 3. A place for the various TinkerPop-enabled graph system> >>>> providers to showcase their implementations.> >>>> 4. Polished write-ups/blogs from anyone that wants to submit> >>>> content (of course, I would want it to be reviewed to ensure only > rock> >>>> solid quality is promoted).> >>>> - I come from academia so I would think of it as a> >>>> peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps a 1 VOTE model :).> >>>> - This could be really cool if we do it right.> >>>> 5. And of course, work with Ketrina to make the entire page a > "Dr.> >>>> Seuss" fantasy world (in the classic TinkerPop fashion).> >>>> - If anything, I really want to see what TinkerLand > looks> >>>> like… that could open the door to a whole new level of the comic > TinkerPop> >>>> story.> >>>> 6. I like novel, new ways of doing things so if you have a > unique> >>>> idea for TinkerLand, please please please articulate.> >>>>> >>>> I think TinkerPop could do really well by having some> >>>> polished/professional material generated around it that helped> >>>> organizations learn to use TinkerPop as well as give an outlet for > everyone> >>>> willing to put time&effort into TinkerPop-related content.> >>>>> >>>> Please voice your thoughts. If people are generally excited, I will do > the> >>>> leg work (along with Robin Schumacher) to get things going. However, > if> >>>> this idea is frowned upon, then, of course, we do not want to upset > the> >>>> community. Likewise, mentors, please articulate any issues or > concerns.> >>>>> >>>> Thank you everyone,> >>>> Marko.> >>>>> >>>> http://markorodriguez.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- > >>> Have a good one,> >>> Jason> >> >>
